11/10/2019: De momento sin fecha
Fuente: http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my...ts/040717-1900
11/10/2019: De momento sin fecha
Fuente: http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my...ts/040717-1900
Última edición por ryder; 11/10/2019 a las 01:06
TV 4K: OLED LG 65" C9 / OLED 3D LG 55" 920V
Reproductor UHDBD: Panasonic DP-UB9004
¿Cómo se retoma el hilo de toda una vida? ¿Cómo seguir adelante cuando en tu corazón empiezas a entender que no hay regreso posible, que hay cosas que el tiempo no puede enmendar, aquellas que hieren muy dentro, que dejan cicatriz?
Un poco raro que no nos vengan con la trilogía completa, aunque bueno en este caso tampoco me interesa en UHD, gracias por el aviso.
TV 4K: OLED LG 65" C9 / OLED 3D LG 55" 920V
Reproductor UHDBD: Panasonic DP-UB9004
¿Cómo se retoma el hilo de toda una vida? ¿Cómo seguir adelante cuando en tu corazón empiezas a entender que no hay regreso posible, que hay cosas que el tiempo no puede enmendar, aquellas que hieren muy dentro, que dejan cicatriz?
Precisamente en peliculas con fotografía tan compleja y al limite como estas los "saltos de formato", se notan mucho más.
El DVD se las veia y deseaba para plasmar el grano y la subexposición de Willis de manera fidedigna, el BD mejoro bastante y es de suponer que el 4K ayude, sobretodo a la hora de representar el abundante grano como textura y no como una "paella"
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
Puf, con ese subidón de tema, creía que se había anunciado y digo joder a ver si 2020 va a ser el año del 4K
La cosa es que este 4K va a dar bastante que hablar si sigue con las "modificaciones" de Coppola. Pero el HDR y que el grano se represente mejor lo ayude bastante.
Nada de modificaciones, el negativo original estaba jodido y los DVD antiguos tenían un color muy distinto porque partían de duplicados de mala calidad. Lo que se ha hecho al restaurar es aplicar los 4 puntos de amarillo +1 punto de rojo, de Gordon Willis, quien por cierto estaba vivo, supervisó la resturación, dio indicaciones y la vio proyectada y dijo que era "dead on" con respecto a como la habia rodado.
De DVD Beaver:
By the time I received my review copy, there was already a reaction on the Net to the Coppola Restoration. Some felt that it was not so much a restoration as simply a brightening, and even charged Coppola, Willis and others with caving into criticism that the film was too dark – not in terms of dramatic tone, but picture quality. Others compared the Blu-ray to the Restoration as projected in 2K at the Ross Theatre on the Warner lot and declared it to be exactly similar. By the way, it is curious that it's called the Coppola Restoration since, so it appears in the featurette, his only contribution was to ask Steven Spielberg, in his then new relationship with Paramount, that it be done.
So the question naturally occurred to me: What exactly should we be criticizing here? What should be the province of our review – or any review? I knew that whatever memory I had of the original theatrical presentation some 35 years ago had been replaced by time, various video incarnations and my own imagination. (It was reassuring to hear Francis admit to the same.) I also had the experience of seeing other restorations that seemed to me to be at odds with the intent of the drama. In any case, who am I to say what evil lurks in the minds of men – or what color or exposure was intended?
So I decided that before launching into any of the restorations, I would first watch the 19-minute featurette on the whys and wherefores. This turned out to be something of a revelation for me, historically and artistically. The first thing I learned was that the original camera negative (we're talking about the 1972 Godfather) was so overused, it had become useless. Second, that Willis shot the movie deliberately so that the only way to print it was the way he shot it, with none of the usual compensations for exposure latitude, resulting in an unusually thin negative which was one of the reasons it fared so badly. Third, that Willis used no on-camera filtration.
I repeat, Willis shot without filters. He expected that the golden tone that we associate with the movie would be applied in the processing. But since the negative was no longer viable, and surviving prints were not in terrific shape, it was not entirely clear what the color scheme should actually look like. Willis was consulted for the restoration, but he was not directly involved. According to the featurette, Willis stated that he expected "4 points of yellow plus 1 point of red" over normal. So when we look at the restoration and it appears to us reddish, it may be that this in comparison to what we are used to, which might have been more like 10 points yellow + 1 point red. Truth is that it's been so long since I have worked with color filters on negative film that I really can't say with any confidence what 4+1 should come out to given any scene. For my part, the new color palette took some getting used to, but I eventually tumbled to it.
As for brightness, in some parts of the first movie – less so, I think, of the second – Willis, we are told, was going for a look of old Anscochrome which results in something like old home movies – which is very much what Connie's wedding looks like in the restoration: almost amateurishly overexposed. The videos we have seen up to now have added a considerable amount of yellow to what was essentially a seriously overexposed negative, so that it appears to have more image content than the restoration – which, in a way, it does – but it's not, so the restorers would argue, what Willis shot, or wanted.
Back to the restoration: So what was needed was a worldwide casting call for any exiting prints or parts of prints for all three movies – the most in need of work were the first two, especially The Godfather. The redoubtable Robert Harris supervised a multi-stage restoration process that eventually made its way into 4K. When you see what the restoration team had to work with I think you will be aghast; and when you see what their work looked like in its various stages I am equally certain you will be astonished; and as for the final result: appreciative, if not satisfied.
Y toma, subtitulado en castellano:
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
Eso me recuerda a que me parece increíble que, las remasterizaciones en 4K que se hicieron hace una pila de años de obras maestras como esta o Lawrence de Arabia, que ya están hecha y solo hay que hacerle el HDR y masterizarla, etc, todavía no hayan salido.. ¿no debería ser menos trabajo sacar estas que ya tienen su masterización hecha en 4K?
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
¿Hay alguna edición en UHD que no tenga HDR? Desgraciadamente el HDR y Dolby Vision se ha convertido en un reclamo publicitario, algunas películas las beneficia, en otras, es colorimetría cambiada a mal para vender teles..
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
No claro, si llevas razón. Solo estaba exponiendo que, teoricamente, el HDR es algo bueno. Pero bien aplicado, lógicamente.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
Yo solo digo que, esas capturas 4K sin HDR convertidas a SDR, que tienen colores muy verdosos o amarillos, en una tele con el HDR puesto, lucen mucho mas naturales.
Las ediciones USA de Song to song y Brawl in cell block 99 son otros ejemplos.
4 películas de miles que hay en el formato, si señor. De todas formas sirva o no a la peli, Paramount seguro lo venderá con HDR.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
Hombre, tanto como miles Me pregunto sí habremos llegado ya a las 700
IMAGEN: Samsung OLED 77S93C (sí, sin Dolby Vision), Panasonic OLED 65HZ1000 y Reproductores UltraHD Panasonic UB9000 y Sony X700.
A las 700 seguro que si pues yo ya tengo casi 500.
Y finalmente hoy, MUCHOS de ustedes han preguntado si Paramount lanzará El padrino, Coda: La muerte de Michael Corleone de Mario Puzo en 4K Ultra HD. Como saben, el estudio ya ha anunciado oficialmente el lanzamiento en Blu-ray y Digital 12/8 de la película. Bueno, tenemos buenas noticias para ti ... Paramount acaba de proporcionar a The Digital Bits esta declaración oficial sobre el asunto:
“En este momento, lanzaremos The Godfather, Coda: The Death of Michael Corleone de Mario Puzo en Blu -ray y Digital. Anticipándose al 50 aniversario de El Padrino en 2022, Paramount está trabajando en la restauración de todas las películas de esta franquicia, preparándose para los nuevos lanzamientos de entretenimiento en el hogar, incluidos los lanzamientos físicos y digitales de 4K UHD. Se darán a conocer más detalles en una fecha posterior ".
Así que ya está: las películas de El padrino están OFICIALMENTE en camino a 4K. Solo tendrá que ser paciente durante aproximadamente un año. Pero nos gustaría ofrecer un consejo a la gente de Paramount por informarnos, para que todos puedan tomar una decisión más informada sobre si comprar o no el Blu-ray ahora. Se agradece. Nuestra lista de lanzamientos 4K Ultra HD aquí en The Bits se ha actualizado en consecuencia.
" Quod in hac vita facimus, vocem aeternitate habet"
varo, menos mal que al final se lee lo de The Bits, porque con esa redacción tan "original" (imagino que es cosa del Google Translator), no se entendía la mitad, y entre las cosas que no veía, era referencia a que se editaran en España.
Por favor, en el futuro, ante todo indica claramente la fuente (si puedes enlazarla, mejor), te recomiendo no colgar la traducción sin acompañarla del original, y especifica los detalles básicos.
Es un texto de Bill Hunt, de The Digital Bits, y se refiere al lanzamiento en USA.
Última edición por varo; 13/10/2020 a las 09:11
" Quod in hac vita facimus, vocem aeternitate habet"
Gary Tooze, de DVDBeaver, ha colgado esta foto en Facebook. No encuentro otra fuente que lo apoye/confrime, pero el diseño tampoco parece amateur. Veremos si es oficial o solo un rumor.
Última edición por repopo; 14/01/2021 a las 15:09