Tema: Sony da la mano para unir Blu-ray y HD-DVD

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Sony da la mano para unir Blu-ray y HD-DVD

Ryoji Chubachi, próximo presidente de Sony, ha abierto la puerta para la unión de su formato Blu-ray con el competidor HD-DVD: "Escuchando a los consumidores, tener dos formatos rivales es decepcionante y no hemos abandonado la posibilidad de una integración o [acuerdo de] compromiso". Ken Kutaragi ya manifestó a principios de año que una guerra de formatos no sería positiva, cuando admitió haberse equivocado al no soportar el formato mp3. Ya es un poco tarde para la unificación de los dos formatos, pero esperaremos la reacción de NEC y Toshiba.

<hr /><div style="text-align:center">For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught. To say the things he truly feels, and not the words of one who kneels. The record shows I took the blows... And did it my way!</div><div style="text-align:center">SGAE - Ladrones</div></p>

He leido el artículo y dicen que lo hacen por los consumidores. JÁ. JÁ...<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/chalao.gif ALT=":chalao">
LO HACEN PENSANDO EN SI MISMOS.<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/apaleao.gif ALT=":apaleao"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/apaleao.gif ALT=":apaleao">

Más vale ganar menos, que perder la guerra.

Cómo lo solucionaran ?

Multiformato HD-DVD/ BLUE RAY ?

<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/furious.gif ALT=":>:"> lo podrían haber pensado antes, no vieron que un formato único, como fué el DVD, les hizo ganar dinero a todos, pero no, esta gente quiere la teta pa ellos sólos<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/whip.gif ALT=":latigo"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/whip.gif ALT=":latigo">




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Me da la impresion que si dan este paso es porque se estan sientiendo perdedores.

Un saludo.

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Ken Kutaragi ya manifestó a principios de año que una guerra de formatos no sería positiva.<hr></blockquote>
Parece q la mano de Howard Stringer (con una política aperturista y más occidental) empieza a notarse en Sony.

Actualmente, Sony (en este caso SCE) no se puede permitir el lujo de volver a caer en los errores del pasado (Beta - MP3). Su situación económica no deja margen para ello.

Al final teoricamente se tendría q llegar a un acuerdo y ese es:

<span style="font-family:arial black;"> "ONE FORMAT ONLY"</span>
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Evidentemente esto huele a miedo por parte de Sony, porque eso de que lo hacen por los consumidores no se lo creen ni ellos...

Y digo yo, ¿que sentido tiene ahora el sacar dos formatos?

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Yo fuí uno de los que auguró otra guerra de formatos en lo concerniente al nuevo dvd de alta definición y es una gran alegría leer este tipo de comunicados.

Por cierto, yo creo que Sony más que mirar por el consumidor, ha recapacitado y se está replanteando su prepotente forma de actuar en pasadas guerras de formatos de las que no salió muy bien parada.

Rectificar es de sábios.

Sólo queda esperar.

Saludos, El Nota. <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

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Nota de Reuters

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Sony and Toshiba have reached a basic agreement that a unified standard would be desirable, and they are now looking to develop a hybrid standard that takes advantage of each standard's strengths, the Nihon Keizai said.<hr></blockquote>

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beta, minidisc, MP3...

son muchas cagadas... como para arriesgarse con otra más.

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creo que el grupo del Blu Ray se ha dado cuenta que no son los reyes del mambo.
Un ejemplo, Paramount se cambió de bando hace poco.....antes estaba en el grupo BR y ahora está con HD-DVD.

Mal nos pese, lo que creo que pasará es que todo se basará en Windows Media HD.

No hace mucho cayó en mis manos una pelicula WMHD y no ocupaba más de 9 Gb, por lo que para qué queremos 50 Gb en un disco Blu Ray?

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No controlo mucho del tema, pero hasta donde yo sé, tanto el blue-ray como el hd-dvd se basan en el codec H.264 que por cierto, ha sido adoptado recientemente por apple para sus sistemas de video en alta definición, viniendo incorporado en la próxima versión de su sistma operativo tiger, y su reproductor quicktime 7.

www.apple.com/es/macosx/f...quicktime/
www.apple.com/es/macosx/t...ktime.html

Espero que microsoft no se lleve otro gato al agua, por el bien de los sufridos usuarios.

Un saludo, y si alguien sabe algo esclarecedor sobre el tema, me gustaría conocer algo mas.

Un saludo

</p>Editado por: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/bmundodvd43132.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pinchu71> pinchu71</A> fecha: 21/4/05 11:49

Aquí tambien hacen referencia a esto:
www.elmundo.es/navegante/...71830.html
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Sí, pues está la cosa como para comprarse grabadores de dvd, me refiero a los de salón, porque si aun andan así ya me diréis qué confianza va a teenr el consumidor. Todo esto se encamina peligrosamente a un fiasco total, para los dos formatos. Como es lógico, si no tengo confianza en un producto, no lo compro, y por ahí puede que salte la chispa que lleve a una actitud mas "razonable"por parte de los fabricantes de cara a los usuarios, que sin ellos (que parece que a vces se les olvida) no son nada. ¿qué opináis?

Un saludo!

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>More details on the surrender:

Toshiba's Yoshihide Fujii (their lead negotiator) is sucking up to his Sony Cell peeps...HD-DVD hardliner Hisashi Yamada has been shut out of the talks.

Kazuhiro Tsuga is MEI's pointman (he worked with Toshiba in the past on SD) and he's 110% behind 0.1mm, since MEI has invested big bucks in making 0.1mm work.

Fujii is expected to cave on the 0.1mm issue, meaning that 0.6mm HD-DVD is dead as a doornail. I don't know what facesaving concession could be made (it appears as if Fujii is going to agree to the entire BD physical format)...maybe there's some royalty value in the HD-DVD name. <hr></blockquote>

Además, parece que hay un pulso interno dentro de Toshiba <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/sweatdrop.gif ALT=":sudor">

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Hawks vs. Doves

Format Unification Outcome Could Hinge on Tug-Of-War Within Toshiba

Whether Blu-ray and HD DVD ultimately strike agreement on a unified next-generation optical disc format may hinge on the outcome of a tug-of-war that has emerged within Toshiba between the company’s dovish elements and its more hawkish factions, Consumer Electronics Daily has learned.

The doves within Toshiba are reportedly less opposed than the hawks toward capitulating to Blu-ray on that disc’s unique new form factor if they can win face-saving concessions from Blu-ray in return. The doves are led by Yoshihide Fujii, CEO of Toshiba’s Digital Media Network Co., who has close relations with his peers within Sony through those companies’ cooperative work with IBM on the Cell microprocessor for the next-generation PlayStation.

We’ve learned that Fujii has emerged as Toshiba’s point person in its unification talks with Sony and Panasonic. That’s at the expense of HD DVD point man Hisashi Yamada, among the most hawkish of the Toshiba hawks and who at all costs strongly opposes capitulating to Blu-ray. But Yamada is depicted as being on the outside looking in. Sony’s main delegate in the negotiations is Kyoshi Nishitani, the company’s Blu-ray point man in Japan; although incoming Sony Electronics CEO Ryoji Chubachi is key among a handful of decision-makers, he’s monitoring the talks but isn’t involved day-to-day.

Meanwhile, Kazuhiro Tsuga has emerged as a Panasonic’s lead representative in the talks. Tsuga is Matsushita’s exec. officer for digital network and software technology, and is well known to his counterparts at Toshiba through the companies’ past cooperation on the Super Density disc format in 1995 and more recently on the SD Memory Card. Tsuga is a Blu-ray hard liner; although Panasonic is in the loop on the talks, sources insisted that company -- and Sony -- won't budge on 0.1-mm technology, and Tsuga is a key reason why. To Panasonic and Sony, unification “means 0.1-mm only," a source told us, pointing out that Panasonic has invested heavily in the 0.1-mm system, as has Pioneer and other Blu-ray supporters. All believe there’s no turning back.

One possible rationale for Toshiba capitulating on Blu-ray’s thin cover layer in a unified format might well be the realization within the company that thinner and thinner substrates will be the migration path of future optical media. Similar thinking motivated Sony and Philips in 1995 to abandon their idea of a single-molded 1.2-mm-thick disc in favor of the bonded disc fashioned by 0.6-mm-thick halves.

*** This doesn't make sense to me...both formats are bonded, albeit BD is 1.1+0.1 vs. DVD/HD-DVD's 0.6+0.6. That 1.1 layer takes longer to cure, increasing practicle cycle time, decreasing yield. Whatever... ***

If unification talks progress along the lines of embracing the Blu-ray disc’s form factor, it's likely the DVD Forum will need to become a quick study in 0.1-mm disc technology. In June 2002, the DVD Forum's Technical Coordination Group (TCG) set up 2 sub-groups in its Working Group 11 “to study and promote the best technical approach based on” 0.6-mm and 0.1-mm technologies, respectively, for blue laser optical disc applications. It's not known what progress, if any, was made by sub-group TG 11-2 on the 0.1 mm technology with 0.85 numerical-aperture (NA) blue laser espoused by Blu-ray. On Nov. 27, 2002, in response to reports of a total schism between 0.6-mm and 0.1-mm adversaries, the DVD Forum reported “to date, no 0.1mm technology has been proposed,” and no decision has been made to adopt either technology. Blu-ray all along has stated it would make no attempt to work within the DVD Forum to achieve standardization.

Meanwhile, sub-group TG 11-1 under Toshiba's Yamada kept developing that company's 0.6mm/0.65-NA technology, then known as Advanced Optical Disc and subsequently approved as the DVD Forum standard, now called HD DVD. In addition to the 2 subgroups, the DVD Forum's Steering Committee established a TCG ad-hoc subcommittee (AH-08) under Yamada “to work with the Blu-ray Disc Founders toward reaching an agreement to work together on a common format.” It's also not clear what, if anything, became of that gambit.

-- Stephen A. Booth, Paul Gluckman
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