Sí, es la única que me falta en el montaje de Donner, donde Superman tarda en salir bastante, siendo una secuela.
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
Sí, ya sé que probablemente es una chorrada de explicación, pero es la única solución lógica que se me ocurre......
"People believe my folderol because I wear a turban and a black tuxedo [...] We're in show biz! It's all about razzle-dazzle. Appearances. If you dress nice and talk well, people will swallow anything."
"Waving the flag with one hand and picking pockets with the other: that's your patriotism. Well, you can have it." Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious.
"Listen to them... Children of the night! What music they make..!"
Es Lester, no hay que buscarle demasiada lógica
Otra diferencia entre los dos montajes es que en el de Donner, Superman y Lois se acuestan ANTES de que él pierda sus poderes, y en el de Lester, DESPUÉS.
Por eso, Returns se declara secuela de la de Donner (los que la habéis visto sabéis por qué).
Podemos decir que sólo en el montaje de Donner Lois se acuesta con el Hombre de Acero en toda la "extensión" del término![]()
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
Huy, Marty...Muy contento te veo yo hoy, y éso que sólo estamos a miércoles...
"People believe my folderol because I wear a turban and a black tuxedo [...] We're in show biz! It's all about razzle-dazzle. Appearances. If you dress nice and talk well, people will swallow anything."
"Waving the flag with one hand and picking pockets with the other: that's your patriotism. Well, you can have it." Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious.
"Listen to them... Children of the night! What music they make..!"
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
Interesante texto en el que se explica cómo las diferentes visiones sobre el personaje de Donner y Lester se traducían en dos formas de rodar muy distintas. Lester se refería despectivamente al estilo épico de Donner y Unsworth como "esa cosa a lo David Lean" (¿qué tendrá de malo David Lean?). Lester prefería un estilo plano y estático, porque según él evocaba a los comics:
Por supuesto, siempre que alguien habla de que tal o cual película es "muy de cómic", piensan en colores primarios, composiciones simples, falta de psicología... suelen ser prejuicios que no se ajustan a grandes obras del noveno arte (sí, el cómic es un arte). De hecho, el propio Lester reconocía que nunca leyó un cómic, y que nunca había oído hablar de Superman antes de que le ofrecieran trabajar en la película:Director Richard Lester was not sympathetic to the epic look that Richard Donner had given the original Superman, saying that he didn't want to do "the David Lean thing'. Lester decided to scrap most of Oscar-winning cinematographer Geoffrey Unsworth''s footage, and hired director Michael Winner's cinematographer, Robert Paynter, to create a style that would evoke Superman's roots in comic books. Lester, Paynter and camera operator Freddie Cooper replaced Unsworth's gliding camera with horizontal panning and static framing to evoke comic books and comic strips, with static frames crammed with people and objects. Similarly, the composition of shots the trio developed for Superman II had objects and people crammed into the frame. To further emphasize comic book composition, the action was photographed from one angle, to give the film a desired flatness. Harkening back to the techniques of the early sound era, Lester's films had always been shot with three cameras filming the action simultaneously; two cameras for close-ups, one for the long shot. Lester's technique added to the friction on the set caused by Donner's firing. Margot Kidder particularly disliked him.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081573/...ef_=tt_trv_trvUS-born director Richard Lester, an American expatriate living in England, claimed he'd never heard of Superman before he was hired to replace original director Richard Donner. He said that comic books weren't allowed in his house when he was child.
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
Pobre Lester, vaya rapapolvo que le has soltado Marty
Yo prefiero un millón de veces antes a Richard Donner que a Richard Lester pero, dicho esto, no me parece mal director y además me cae bastante bien. Creo que su versión de Superman II y III tienen muchos defectos pero también alguna virtud y yo, al menos, se las reconozco.
"The people who criticized lack of focus on Batman were missing the point of the character of Batman. This guy wants to remain as hidden as possible, and in the shadows as possible, and unrevealing about himself as possible, so all of those things - you know, he’s not gonna eat up screen time by these big speeches and doing dancing around the Batcave"
Tim Burton
Sabes bien que yo también le reconozco algunos aciertos, pero vamos, tampoco le he dado un repaso. Son cosas que él mismo ha dicho.
Por cierto, Lester dirigió la que para mí es la mejor película rock de la historia, "A hard day's night", con los Beatles.
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
Y no te olvides de Robin y Marian, una vuelta de tuerca al mito pero muy buena película.
"The people who criticized lack of focus on Batman were missing the point of the character of Batman. This guy wants to remain as hidden as possible, and in the shadows as possible, and unrevealing about himself as possible, so all of those things - you know, he’s not gonna eat up screen time by these big speeches and doing dancing around the Batcave"
Tim Burton
En efecto, y "Los cuatro mosqueteros". Lester no es un mal director, simplemente no era el adecuado para Superman.
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
Sí, y por ejemplo, para mí, le da mil vueltas a Joel Schumacher; éste no era ni director ideal para Batman ni para nada![]()
"The people who criticized lack of focus on Batman were missing the point of the character of Batman. This guy wants to remain as hidden as possible, and in the shadows as possible, and unrevealing about himself as possible, so all of those things - you know, he’s not gonna eat up screen time by these big speeches and doing dancing around the Batcave"
Tim Burton
Hombre, Schumacher tiene alguna película que está bien: Jóvenes ocultos, Línea mortal, Ultima llamada...
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
No si no son malas películas pero a mí me gusta más Lester.
"The people who criticized lack of focus on Batman were missing the point of the character of Batman. This guy wants to remain as hidden as possible, and in the shadows as possible, and unrevealing about himself as possible, so all of those things - you know, he’s not gonna eat up screen time by these big speeches and doing dancing around the Batcave"
Tim Burton
Hoy he vuelto a ver la tercera parte, analizando mejor cada escena de la película. Esta tercera parte es un recuerdo de Christopher Reeve, el hombre que nos hizo soñar con volar. El guión es flojo por todos lados no hay por donde cogerlo, a veces parece una comedia más que una película sobre Superman. Pero ... no merece la pena hablar de lo que tanto se hablo ya en su momento.
A mí me gustaron mucho Línea mortal y Asesinato en 8 mm. El Fantasma de la Ópera es visualmente espectacular, otra cosa es que tenga menos enjundia que un anuncio de champú y que se pasase las claves del mito por el forro. Yo creo -y perdón por el off-topic- que simplemente no atinó en su concepción del personaje, o que la gente quería ver algo más en la línea de lo que había hecho Burton. Y ¿quién sabe? Quizá de Batman Triumphant hubiese salido algo mejor que de las dos pelis precedentes.
"People believe my folderol because I wear a turban and a black tuxedo [...] We're in show biz! It's all about razzle-dazzle. Appearances. If you dress nice and talk well, people will swallow anything."
"Waving the flag with one hand and picking pockets with the other: that's your patriotism. Well, you can have it." Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious.
"Listen to them... Children of the night! What music they make..!"
"The people who criticized lack of focus on Batman were missing the point of the character of Batman. This guy wants to remain as hidden as possible, and in the shadows as possible, and unrevealing about himself as possible, so all of those things - you know, he’s not gonna eat up screen time by these big speeches and doing dancing around the Batcave"
Tim Burton
Ah, entonces le deben de llamar Olsen. Me parecía recordar que le llamaban Jimmy.
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
Por cierto, os recomiendo que os hagáis con la revista SCIFI WORLD de este mes. Viene un amplio monográfico de Superman de 60 páginas, analizando comics, animación, películas... una gozada
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
Yo la tengo![]()
Completísima, ¿verdad? Desde los seriales de radio y cine a las pelis de animación, pasando por los comics... Y gráficamente tiene láminas cojonudas.
I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
![]()
![]()
Eso ha estado bien
No lo había pensado
![]()
Donner sabía lo que se hacía![]()
Sí, claroAhora voy a ser yo la que te contagia pensamientos calenturientos
Amos, enga
Bueno, ya sabéis que yo soy la máxima defensora de Schumacher en el foro
En la serie no lo sé, pero en las películas le llaman de las dos maneras. Sin ir más lejos en "Superman III", el jefe le llama Olsen, mientras que Superman le llama Jimmy.
Pero antes necesito saber si hay muchas páginas dedicadas a "Superman III" y "IV"![]()
"El único modo de ser feliz es amando. Si no sabes amar, tu vida pasará como un destello" - The Tree of Life