Tema: Proyector | Sanyo PLV-Z4

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Babel no quier funcionar, lo que yo he entendido con mi corto frances:
Este tio compara un proye con otro segun unas u otras escenas por lo que unas veces le gusta mas uno y otas otro.
Capitulo 6, escenas cel cesar entre columnas con humo y el cesar que se pone detras de un busto, también la escena que transportan a gladiator en una camilla.
sobre el pana:
+Fluidez de imagen escelente,
+ Colores excelentes,
- algo de VB en escenas grises ( leve)
+detalles de la imagen y 2os planos y profundidad de campo digno de un DLP.
+ luz muy regular en toda la pantalla sin zonas decoloradas ( color uniforme)
- algo , poco pero algo, de halos o duplicidad de imagen en imagenes de colores muy contrastados

En esta escena le gusto mas el Z4 por :
- Colores mas hermoso
- No tiene halos
- No tiene VB
Por contra le gusto mas en el pana:
- la ausencia de zonas decoloradas
- Detalle de las imagenes
- Efecto 3D y profundidad de campo ( en otro capítulo le gusto mas la profundidad del z4)

Sigo luego,

Saludos

para los que controlen el anglosajon:

os lo he traducido con el google ;-)

En resumidas cuentas le pone como claro vencedor al z4!!!
Ha y como sucedio con el ae700 vs z3 el z4 comenta que no sufre de vb en comparacion con el ae900.

Un saludo,

Here is still a queen of silence! Sony HS50 which had opened the way was copied with much talent. It is almost total silence. The joystick to move the objective, and thus the image, in all the directions is the same one as on the PTAE700, and it makes always as toy as front. Fortunately that a serrated roller of tightening makes it possible to block it. It is not in all cases more of the lens shift, with such a displacement, it is adjustment of objective! Ca makes me think of the rear view mirror on my car. Miss more than they do it electric. The menu is of a great simplicity, and I adjusted the projector crushes hair in a few minutes, which leaves think that large majority of the users who do not dare too much to play with the adjustments will have a beautiful image even if they do not touch with nothing. I know well that for certain amateurs, this detail is rather secondary, because they will seek to obtain an optimum adjustment, either with a DVD of adjustment like DIGITAL Vidéo Essential, or straightforwardly with a professional calibration, but for all the others, and it is the great majority, I can ensure you that you can plunge without fear to have to put the hands in dirty oil. Gladiator Zone 2, on Denon DVD3910 in HDMi connection by means of a cable Oehlbach 2411. The image made 2.30m, I sat with 4m screen 16/9 E, and Denon is in 720p, obviously! Chapter 2, the war. I see defects that Sanyo PLVZ4 nor Toshiba MT400 does not have, the other innovations of this re-entry. In particular, of the halations like gray shades around the forms and objects, a well-known defect on the vidéoprojecteurs 4/5 years ago. It is very visible on the contour of the trees against the sky. The tree trunks are duplicated of a feature and a shade of two centimetres each with dimensions. It is rather enormous, and yet my adjustment of sharpness, adjusted with a test card, is at least. I carried out several tests to try to reduce it, without success. This, however, and they is happy, does not destroy either the impression of details, because the objects of small size do not show this defect, and if the bottom is not very contrasted color, one sees nothing either. The detail of the images thus, is excellent, and I am agreeably surprised by the luminous details especially: they have much glare, and that made a beautiful image. The sky, on these difficult scenes of chapter 2, swarms a little. A little more than the PLVZ4. It is not the sorrow to seek the least grid, one does not see anything! I approached to see it, and while moving back slowly, with 2m of the image (2.30m broad), and I do not see it virtually more. In chapter 6, I looked this scene much on the PLVZ4, plunged in the half-light, slightly lit by the light filtered through the window, and César which crosses the part of right-hand side on the left behind statutes and stops in front of a large bust. There, piqué is remarkable, can be even better than on the PLVZ4 (I say can be, because my PLVZ4, a model of pre series, has just fallen out of carafe!)... In spite of the effect of halation, of unfolding of the images, although the blacks a little are stopped, less detailed than on the PLVZ4, the effect 3d, the depth, the detail, the smoothness, make a very beautiful image. In fact, the effect of unfolding, shade if you prefer, is visible only if the objects are against a bottom of very different color. On this scene, it is not the case, therefore one does not see this defect there. There or it is the worst, it is for a clear object on a very dark bottom, like a face approximately plane and a dark maroon bottom behind plane. On the traveling which goes from the cage to the slaves towards the village, a scene that I use systematically to test the fluidity of the projector, the result is excellent. Comparable so that I know best, quite simply. And comparable with the PLVZ4. Piqué of image is remarkable, but can be a little hard. When the gladiateurs aligned against a wall receive a white powder jet (talc?) on their bodies, the jet is so detailed that a powdery cloud is not seen, but tiny particles, for example. The color is excellent, a hair cold can be, compared to Sanyo, but I do not draw any from conclusion because a thorough adjustment (which I does not make on a model of pre series that one entrusts a few hours to me), will undoubtedly allow to modify. And BV now? (the BV, for vertical bands, are the defect of process LCD, and when one leaves a PLVZ4 his box, and that no adjustment is made, the image is truffée by it. The BV are vertical gray traces which do not move, whatever the image). And many BV it A. They are extremely weak there, they are extremely regular, and they do not make as dirtinesses at certain places of the image - in all cases not on the specimen which I have in test - but they are there. And not of adjustment in sight. Piqué and the plane detail of the backs are very beautiful, which makes a depth of field exceptional, higher than that of the PLVZ4, and approaching those of a projector DLP. With my test cards, I could locate these BV. They see myself on the greens, blue lights and the yellow. One sees nothing on the white, and it is probably for that which they are if not very awkward with a film, nor on the reds. There are not either shades of lights on not dimensioned and the corners of the image, like often on projectors LCD, and as the PLVZ4 of my test. The light is very regular, the uniform color, it is very right if one distinguishes a light loss of intensity on a zone of 20 cm each with dimensions of the screen, on all the high one. To return with my BV, they make like a subtle chalk-lining against certain images, and not on the white zones. On gray funds, it is there that they appear a little, but not like dirty traces on the screen. While looking at again with test cards, I realize indeed that on degrade of gray, they are invisible on the white, and they appear on the gray rectangles, whatever their intensity, except the very dark ones. With more and less compared to the PLVZ4, my general impression leans towards this last for the following reasons. more cordial colors, piqué without shades duplicating the forms located on a bottom of color contrasted, total absence of BV. I preferred, on the other hand, on the PTAE900, the total absence of zones faded in the angles (although I did not succeed in seeing these discolourations, present on the test cards of the PLVZ4, by looking at films), piqué of the images, but especially the effect 3d, the depth of field. I liked his swarming less, but it is compared to the PLVZ4 only. In the absolute, it did not obstruct me a whole, because it is present only in the very difficult moments. I think of receiving another specimen of PLVZ4 which will enable me to push a little more the tests, and thus to validate or not these first impressions. Panasonic PTAE900/Sanyo PLVZ4, second round. Conscious that the background noise of a store of Hifi is not especially favourable with total silence, and that the noise of a projector is a really significant data for a user who will have the machine with less than one meter of his ears, I benefitted from closing between midday and two to extinguish all the apparatuses, and to really listen to the noise of the ventilators. Panasonic: not, it is not Sony HS50, as opposed to what I said earlier, and in complete silence, I hear the ventilo clearly. Who looks at a film in total silence? Let us say that in silence, one hears it, without it being awkward, and that if a film is put, one does not understand more nothing the whole. Sanyo: Idem that Panasonic, but in acuter and a little more extremely. You will note that Sanyo is given for 22dB and that Panasonic posts 26dB. Somebody cheating, because they is false. Panasonic is quieter than Sanyo. Not much, but a little, and the noise of Sanyo is acuter. With dimensioned, Sony HS50 posts 24dB, and it is really quiet. I am not far from thinking that everyone cheating! It is nice! The technicians will explain me. Here facts. The PLVZ4 had broken down during my preceding test (it is a model pre series, whereas Panasonic is a final version), and it is the same one as one brings to me today. And well it took me 3 minutes to calibrate it correctly (with DVE, not with Colorfacts hein!), while the first time, you remember it, I fought during 2 hours... me that exceeds me, it is not my level. In short, it is regulated. I check that Panasonic was not put out of order, and rolls... turn over to see Gladiator! Chapter 2. It is necessary to keep in mind which the PLVZ4 that I test does not have its final firmware, and which the ratio of contrast of my specimen is blocked to 5000:1. The final version pushes to 7000... what will follow is thus with reading in the light of this remark. PTAE900: beautiful image, not only one BV, not of grid. The "phantom" unfolding around the objects, on the other hand, jumps me to the eyes as of the first image, whereas I did not seek it, it should be specified. On the scenes with a gray sky, the BV arise a little. There is nothing the whole, absolutely nothing, with Sanyo. Idem for swarming: in the difficult scenes, there is a little on Sanyo, and a little more on Panasonic, but hardly more. The image has more light with Sanyo, while the colors seem rather close with the eye, and rather beautiful, of the two with dimensions ones. There is much more promptness on the image of Sanyo than on that of Panasonic, and although the two machines saturate some very enlightened details like the flames, the fume which are released from the pot cooking on fire, bellow on the left of the image, at the beginning of the following chapter, has much more light and of matter on Sanyo that on Panasonic. Smoke blanchâtre is detached much better on the black bottom. You will say to me, a smoke, it is not a film, and it is not because it is less true on Panasonic than on Sanyo, than film is wasted, and you will be right. It is all the difficulty of the tests in fact. Because without comparative, the image produced by Panasonic, in basic 2.30m, with a install its of quality, it is large spectacle, and worse, with a beautiful film, I would be astonished that you are able to think of the small details! Yes but here, beyond that, the idea to invest in a beautiful product forms also part of the pleasure, and it is with this pleasure there that my test refers. In this case, the difference between the two images is unambiguous, without nuance. The difference is really significant. By tearing off me the eyes in chapter 6, to seek differences in piqué of image, on the large plans, the plane backs, I did not find anything. Null match. On the other hand, there still, Sanyo is much more luminous and makes an image sharper than Panasonic. Both, once again, saturate the colors with the flames of the candles. As opposed to what I said the first time, and by looking at several times the scene or César the part of right-hand side crosses on the left behind the line of statues to stop with the bust, the depth of field is more significant on Sanyo than on Panasonic, because of this addition of light, which does not destroy the blacks. On the other hand, I lengthily looked at the dust whirling and lit by the light filtering of the window on the left. Can be board I considering a little solarization with Panasonic, can be not...! The second scene of chapter 8 occurs in the grisaille and the fog. It is hard for the video noise, swarming, and the BV. Sanyo, well. Breaded... about as well, but on the other hand, there still, what a difference of luminosity and glare of the small details between the two! This is immediately confirmed with the following scene, that or with the bones strew the ground in the foreground in the forest. There, Sanyo posts a superiority really crushing which carries my conviction that these two machines are not at all of the same class. All the colors come out with much more detail and from life that on Panasonic. I said much last year that Panasonic PTAE700 and Sanyo PLVZ3 were two excellent machines which made very beautiful images, with dimensioned, I do not forget it, of Hitachi PJTX100. Besides I had fun some, because it is not frequent to see 3 machines of similar quality at nearby prices, which are held in a handkerchief of pocket. That puts to me more at ease for affirms that it is not any more the case. Sanyo made an ahead significant jump, compared to Panasonic and compared to the PLVZ3 (I did not have a PTAE700 to go at the bottom of this question). I wondered how that could be possible, and I wonder whether part of the answer (or the answer entirely), does not come owing to the fact that Panasonic, like Hitachi, made of the nine with old man, by installing new matrix LCD of Epson, while Sanyo, and well it is apparently a very new projector. If my track is right, and the technical projections being rather fast, the development of the PLVZ4 is thus the fact of a more recent research, which, in other words, places it as a projector with a generation moreover than Panasonic... I do not hide you that I will dig this track, because my curiosity is poked. The continuation? The test of Hitachi PJTX200, the third small drainage canal of the brilliance trio of projectors LCD to less 2000€ Jean Patrick Grumberg,

En cuanto al sonido del ventilador , mienten los dos.
El más silencioso el sony Sh50 despues el pana y sanyo en el último lugar ( pruebas en silencio absoluto). Eso sí, con el sonido puesto pasan desapercibidos.

makai si vas ha hacer un favor, ¡ hazlo completo ¡ . No te quedes a medias
Por lo menos ordena un poquito la traducción. Tal y como la suelta el google es muy desagradable de leer. :alloro

Saludos

tio! que estoy currando en un cliente

soy informatico y mientras le monto el sistema de vez en cuando hecho un vistazo al foro )

si tengo tiempo espero ponerlo en castizo

lo chungo es el tiempo ;-)

un saludo,

AE900:
Más silencioso
Dobles contornos alrededor de los objetos
Vertical banding
Más hormigueo

Z4
Más luz
Más vivacidad en la imagen
Más detalle
Más profundidad de campo

Sus conclusiones:

El año pasado, dije muchas veces que el Panasonic AE700 y el Sanyo Z3 eran dos máquinas excelentes que producían imágenes muy bellas, sin olvidarnos del Hitachi TX100. Además, me he entretenido con estos proyectores, porque no es habitual ver tres máquinas de calidad y precios similares, que rivalizan estrechamente. Eso me permite afirmar que ya no es así. Sanyo ha dado un importante salito adelante con respecto a Panasonic y con respecto al PLV-Z3 (no disponía de un PT-AE700 para ir al fondo de esta cuestión). Me he preguntado cómo podía ser posible, y me pregunto si una parte (o la totalidad) de la respuesta no estará en el hecho de que Panasonic, al igual que Hitachi, han hecho un simple lavado de cara, instalando la nueva matriz LCD de Epson, mientras que el Sanyo es claramente un proyector completamente nuevo. Si mi hipótesis es correcta, y si los avances técnicos son lo bastante rápidos, el desarrollo del PLV-Z4 es, por lo tanto, fruto de una investigación más reciente, lo cual -dicho de otro modo- lo coloca como un proyector con una generación por delante del Panasonic. No os oculto que voy a explorar esa pista, porque ha despertado mi curiosidad.

Vamos que el Z4 ha dado un salto importante y el pana900 puede competir con el z3 pero no con el z4 ) Pues no sé si felicitar a Sanyo o darle un tirón de orejas a Panasonic.

A mi no me da la impresión que la diferencia sea tan contundente.
En según que escenas le gusta más la profundidad de campo y el efencto 3D del Pana que del Z4,
El VB solo lo ve levemente en el pana con escenas con fondo gris.Pero lo ve :>:
Los halos se dan solo en escenas con colores muy contrastados
....

Pero, en lineas generales, le ha gustado mas el Z4 que el pana ,según esta review.

Saludos
Edito: muy poca rejilla en el z4 y nada en el pana.

En general por lo que veo por internet es bastante mejor que el z3.
Pero 2 temas que me preocupan:

overscan (sera mayor que en el z3 ?(que yo sepa el z3 no tiene)) en salidas analogicas (incluso con componentes)

irisdinamico (se podra desactivar para evitar defectos con los subtitulos en peliculas?)

algun entendido que sepa las respuestas?

Un saludo,

Iniciado por makai

overscan (sera mayor que en el z3 ?(que yo sepa el z3 no tiene)) en salidas analogicas (incluso con componentes)

Como decía Cypher, "la ignorancia es la felicidad". DD

O sea, que el Z3 sí tiene.

irisdinamico (se podra desactivar para evitar defectos con los subtitulos en peliculas?)

Parece que sí, pero de todas maneras por lo que dice Herr Ekkehart, el iris va en función del promedio de luminosidad de la imagen, y no de la luminosidad máxima del fotograma, por lo que es posible que no se note.

Tengo un z2 muy similar al z3 y no tiene overscan, ni por analogico ni por digital.

Lo que si hay muchos reproductores que generan mucho overscan.

Iniciado por comun1

Tengo un z2 muy similar al z3 y no tiene overscan, ni por analogico ni por digital.

Según cine4home, el z2, conectado por YUV, rebana 30 píxeles a izquierda y derecha.

¿Cómo lo has medido tú?

En htpc por entrada dvi-d no overscan = monitor pc
en kiss dp 1000 por componentes no overscan
en pioneer 575 por componentes 3% izquierda 5 % derecha overscan.
en samsung 245 por componentes 8% izquierda 2% derecha.
y te podria poner 10 mas de reproductores que recortan.

Otro que no me recorta el yamakawa 375 que lleva el mismo chip que el kiss.

De hecho abrí hace tiempo un hilo que hablaba del tema.

muy bien esta discusion.

la pregunta era si tiene mas overscan el z4 que el z3.

pd.: yo tambien tengo un 575 de pioneer

http://www.technikdirekt.de/

1799 pavos y bajando ...

Bueno a mi y a muchos supongo que no le preocupará el tema ya que se tiende a ir a digital, pero ma parece bien tenerlo en cuenta. de todos modos siempre queda el retoque del menu de servicio, no es así?

Saludos.

:Li On ha visto el Z4

Iniciado por Grubert

:Li On ha visto el Z4

Y lo pone bastante mejor que el tw600. Se queja en ambos de ruido de video (macrobloques). Que raro, ni cine4home ni el de hifissimo mencionaban ese dato refiriéndose al Z4.

Medicion de contraste que les a dado a la revista alemena audiovision ( si no recuerdo mal estos se limitan a enchufar el proyector y medir):

Modelo------------------------Maximo-------------ANSI
Sanyo Z4-----LCD-----------1400:1-------------300:1

Sanyo Z3------- LCD---------- 930:1--------------288:1

Pana AE700---- LCD-----------805:1--------------196:1

BENQ 7700 -----DLP----------- 1190:1------------580:1

Mitshu HC3000 DLP------------1510:1------------510:1


Los datos son de un forero de homecinema-fr.

Ruido (Z4):
Modo normal : 26.5 dB
Modo Eco: 23.4 dB
El benq, el mitshu , el z3 y el pana 700 los pongo para comparar.

Saludos

No entiendo la obsesión por el contraste.Casi me parece más un tema comercial de incitar al cambio, que de necesidad, EMHO.
Y lo del iris dinámico lo entiendo menos; en algún momento puede ser suficiente para distraerte y "sacarte" de la peli. Lo que comenta LiOn , que no pongo en duda, parece un pelín exagerado como para no valorarlo los ingenieros de Sanyo o Epson.

a mi me preocupa mas si puede tener la opcion de desactivar el iris dinamico. de ser asi y ver que en modo activado pasa lo que dice li-on con el tema de que ciertas personas lo noten pues si se puede desactivar lo tomamos como un plus y santas pascuas.

otra cosa es que no se pueda!!! hay si que seria de pensarse lo de comprarlo o no.

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curiosa review.

En casi todas las reviews le ponen bastante bien.
La siguiente que va ha realizar el tipo este es la del ae900. Se confirmara la superioridad del z4 frente al ae900!
Lastima que hasta navidades aki na de na!!!

Impresiones de un forero ingles que cambia su benq 8700 ( por falta de lens shift) por un Z4:

Hey guys, here is my opinion on the Z4.

Z4 arrived this morning!. Baring in mind that i have white walls and a 3m wide screen, i have to say that i'm very impressed so far. It is fed a progressive component signal from an arcam 88+ via an avr300. From where i'm sitting there is no screen door, no VB, and although blacks aren't as quite as good as my BENQ 8700+ they are not far off. Colour and contrast are good out of the box, as is everything else really, but i'll give you more information when i've run some calibration disks, which i'll be doing later on tonight. The scaler seems better than the benq and the picture is very sharp too. Movement is also very smooth.The Z4 is also very quite, much quieter than the benq (at least 5dbs quieter, and it never distracted me at all during viewing, which is a major plus). It is incredibly easy to set up and position and seems very flexible. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of difference between the different lamp modes but eco mode seem fine in black out conditions. The lense cover is a neat touch and should help against dust once i get installed properly when i move house on friday. Any help from all you Z3/Z4 owners with regards to setting this thing up would be great, and i'll let you all know how i get on.

I know you lot aren't interested , but i still need to know how much you guys think i could get for my benq with a couple of hundred hours on it???. Any recommended ceiling brackets???.

Hope i've been of use to all you future Z4 owners, i've still got allot of tweaking to do, so i'll try and give a more detailed review later. So far its the best LCD i've ever seen and is amazing value for money.

Saludos