Tema: Nuevo Epson LS10000

Iniciado por Malloy

Posiblemente ahora no sea buena idea comprarlo, pero es una novedad. Hace 5 años Samsung sacó su primer televisor LED, y el de 46 pulgadas con TDT SD, sin 3D, sin Smart TV, valia 1.999 euros. Hoy un 55 con 3D, Smart, 2 sintonizadores TDT HD, vale 1.000.

Espero que la tecnología LED no aporte lo mismo a los proyectores que a los televisores .

En cuanto al laser de Epson, a mi particularmente y recalco a mi, me parece irrelevante que "solo" dure 10.000 horas. Esas 10.000 h. a una media de unas 5 horas diarias pueden ser perfectamente unos 5 años de duración, que no es poco.

Teniendo en cuenta que es 1ª generación, seguro que en 5 años lo mejoran en todos los aspectos, alargan la vida del laser, etc...

Esto lo van a comprar 4, los que tienen pasta y están a la última (por capricho o por necesidad laboral), no es más que la punta de lanza para abrir el mercado.

Lo importante es innovar y darle un empujón a esto, que no se estanque...

Me gustaría seguir con los proyectores, pero las teles crecen y estos se estancan. Parece que los propios fabricantes empujen hacía las teles. mi pregunta es, entre 78-79 pulgadas y 120, me cambia tanto? porque lo que uno pierde con el proyector (luz/simplicidad), no es poco...

hombre entre 78 y 120, es casi el doble la verdad. No hay color

Si me dices entre 78 y 90, todavia.

En cualquier caso por tu comentario no se si tienes proyector. es otra cosa, mas cinematográfico. Ademas de la liturgia de bajar la pantalla , encenderlo etc.

Yo no lo cambio por nada.

ya era hora de que empecera a evolucionar en los proyes la fuente de lud que llevan estancados unos años con sus lamparas de mercurio, con esta nuevas tecnologias que se estandarizaran en poco tiempo va ser un reflote brutal en estos aparatos con las ventejas y mejoras del led y el laser,

Iniciado por 1080p?

Me gustaría seguir con los proyectores, pero las teles crecen y estos se estancan. Parece que los propios fabricantes empujen hacía las teles. mi pregunta es, entre 78-79 pulgadas y 120, me cambia tanto? porque lo que uno pierde con el proyector (luz/simplicidad), no es poco...

Si el tamaño no te importa demasiado , pero la calidad de imagen si, donde este un proyector que se quite cualquier TV led (que se note que soy pro-plasma), otro gallo cantaría si esas TV con esas pulgadas fueran oled.

Iniciado por raigo

Si el tamaño no te importa demasiado , pero la calidad de imagen si, donde este un proyector que se quite cualquier TV led (que se note que soy pro-plasma), otro gallo cantaría si esas TV con esas pulgadas fueran oled.

Bueno, están al caer las OLED 4K de LG, pero el precio... honestamente, al menos en mediamarkt, no se aprecia que la oled de lg de 1080p sea tan superior a las led, negros perfectos aparte, pero que ves si lo sabes. Quizás es problema de 0 calibración

Tal vez el Mediamark no sea el lugar más adecuado para apreciar las diferencias entre distintas tecnologías, aunque de base se suponga que todas están en igualdad de condiciones.... (Lo digo por la mala calidad de señales y de iluminación...etc..)

Aunque a igualdad de tamaños al menos la Lg Oled que he visualizado se veía pero que muy bien, aun siendo en un Mediamark....jeje.

Ojalá pudiese ver un Epson de los que comentáis, pero tal como está el mercado, difícil será poder observar este tipo de tecnología como no sea en una gran ciudad con una gran tienda, con un gran comercial....jaja

Un saludo desde Coruña.
In Memoriam.

Un saludo desde Coruña

Iniciado por 1080p?

Bueno, están al caer las OLED 4K de LG, pero el precio... honestamente, al menos en mediamarkt, no se aprecia que la oled de lg de 1080p sea tan superior a las led, negros perfectos aparte, pero que ves si lo sabes. Quizás es problema de 0 calibración

Bueno, aquí una review del LS 10.000 de Scott Wilkinson, con motivo del CEDIA 2014. Escrito antes del evento. Un maquinón.



I first heard of these projectors two weeks ago, but I was under strict embargo not to write about them until today. Shortly thereafter, the news leaked out and, of course, AVS members were all over it, so much of this is already known to many of you. That doesn't make it any less exciting—plus, because I had some time to write this piece, I was able to get more details from Epson to answer some of the questions about these projectors posed on AVS.



Epson is formally announcing two new relatively high-end projectors at CEDIA—the PowerLite Pro Cinema LS10000 and LS9600e. Both employ a laser light engine illuminating three liquid-crystal-on-quartz (LCOQ) imagers, a technology similar to LCOS—hence the Reflective moniker. (You might recall that Epson showed so-called reflective projectors at CEDIA some years ago, but they quietly disappeared before ever being released. I guess the company needed more time to perfect the design.) Actually, two blue laser-diode arrays are used, one of which excites a yellow-phosphor wheel. The yellow light from the wheel is then split into red and green, which—along with the blue light from the other laser—illuminate the three imagers.



Epson's two-laser light engine produces red, green, and blue light to illuminate the three LCOQ imagers.

The LS10000 is rated to produce up to 1500 lumens of light output, while the LS9600e is rated at a maximum of 1300 lumens. As you would expect, the light output is mode-dependent—for example, both projectors are brighter in Cinema Mode, unlike previous models, whereas Digital Cinema mode—which uses the DCI (Digital Cinema Initiative) color gamut—is dimmer because it uses a Cinema Filter to achieve the expanded color gamut and deeper blacks. Interestingly, Digital Cinema mode does not use DCI grayscale, which would result in a dark and greenish image; these projectors are optimized for Blu-ray and other consumer content, not digital cinema. (This begs the question, why include a Digital Cinema mode in the first place?)

Speaking of gamuts, the new Reflective models encompass a very wide range of colors—larger than DCI and even Adobe RGB. I presume they provide a CMS (color-management system) that allows the gamut to be adjusted to BT.709, which is used to master all current consumer content, though it's nice to know that a wider future gamut can be accommodated.


The Reflective series projectors reproduce a very wide color gamut.

The laser light engine is said to last up to 30,000 hours, an estimate based on using the Eco mode, which probably can't produce the maximum light output. According to the press release, "Actual hours may vary depending on usage environment." Other laser-related features include Instant Off, which means there's virtually no wait for the projector to warm up or cool down, and a high-speed contrast function increases perceived contrast without using a mechanical iris—the lasers are modulated instead, which is much faster than an iris.

Another related feature is called Absolute Black, which purports to produce zero lumens when displaying a full black field. LED-LCD TVs have been doing this for a long time—the real question is how deep are the blacks when the scene is mostly black, like outer space with bright stars, and what happens during black interstitials? I've seen LED-LCD TVs drop to zero in these moments, which can be rather distracting if it's not done smoothly.

The LCOQ imagers are said to have an increased aperture ratio, which means the pixels are closer together with smaller gaps between them. In addition, the LS10000 features something called 4K Enhancement, in which the pixels in a 1920x1080 array are quickly shifted back and forth by half a pixel vertically and horizontally to produce a pseudo-4K image. Of course, this seems very similar to JVC's e-Shift technology. By contrast, the LS9600e is a straight-up 1080p projector. Both models offer Super Resolution with Detail Enhancement and frame interpolation, which may or may not be of interest to video purists.


Epson's 4K Enhancement Technology seems a lot like JVC's e-Shift, which some amusingly call faux-K.

What will certainly be of interest is motorized zoom, focus, and lens shift with 10 lens memories, which allows the projectors to display different aspect ratios from 4:3 to 2.35:1 without the need for an anamorphic lens. Of course, you need a 2.35:1 screen to take advantage of the ultra-wide aspect ratio. In addition, the lens-shift range is quite wide—±90% vertical and ±40% horizontal.

Both models offer 3D capabilities with RF active-shutter glasses, and the refresh rate has been increased from 240 to 480 Hz. This decreases the time during which both glasses lenses must be closed to prevent crosstalk, allowing a brighter 3D image—though, of course, it won't be anywhere near the maximum brightness cited in the press release.


Increasing the refresh rate from 240 to 480 Hz means that the glasses lenses can remain open more of the time, increasing the brightness of the 3D image.

The LS9600e includes a WirelessHD feature with a transmitter that can accept up to five HDMI devices and send the selected signal to the projector via RF at 60 GHz. This works only within a single room—no multi-room beaming. Also available is an MHL connector for smartphones and tablets.

Speaking of HDMI, both models provide two HDMI 2.0 inputs that can support bitrates up to 10.2 Gbps, not 18 Gbps, which means the LS10000 is limited to 2160p/60 at 4:2:0 and 8 bits. Lower frame rates and resolutions can include 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 color, but the input signal is limited to 8 bits in any event, a decision Epson made because current content—even UHD—is 8-bit. However, internal processing is 10-bit and partially 12-bit according to Epson. The best news is that the HDMI1 input on both projectors supports HDCP 2.2; the HDMI2 input supports HDCP 1.4.

Some AVS members have asked about input lag for gaming. Both of these projectors offer a Fast mode that minimizes input lag, though the precise measurement has not yet been finalized.

Finally, the new projectors are designed to be very quiet—as low as 19 dB, thanks to a whisper-quiet fan and advanced thermal-conductive copper piping to dissipate heat. And the housing looks wicked cool!

So when will these beauties be available, and how much will they cost? According to the press release, the projectors "will be available through CEDIA and specialty dealers in the fall time frame for less than $8000 [estimated street price]." According to Epson, the final pricing has not been released, but I was able to confirm that the LS9600e will be less than the LS10000.

CEDIA hasn't even started yet, but I bet the Epson Reflective Series projectors will be one of the biggest stories at the show. I'll post more after I've seen the demo for myself.


Fuente original: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...topics/1679794

Después de asistir a la demo de EPSON en CEDIA, se publicó esta review. Al parecer el 3D es magistral, y le saca un pero en visionado de cerca ("At a normal seating distance, the detail looked fine, but in the front row, I could see obvious edge-enhancement ringing and jaggies.").

Curioso que proyectaron con el OPPO 103D (estoy leyendo respecto al mismo y sus virtudes relación calidad precio o no), pero con Darbee desconectado.

Se dice que en el segundo visionado se puso a 2:35:1 para demostrar las lentes motorizadas ("The second clip was 1080p from the Oppo Blu-ray player at 2.35:1, demonstrating the projector's motorized zoom, focus, and lens shift with 10 memories"), todo relacionado con lo hablado antes en este hilo.

Fuente original: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...ia-2014-a.html

Epson LS10000 Laser Projector Demo at CEDIA 2014

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The LS10000 demo was impressive, but not without a few problems, at least from close up.

One of the most important projector announcements at CEDIA was the Epson LS (Laser Series) laser-illuminated LCOQ (liquid crystal on quartz) projectors, the LS10000 and LS9600e. I posted an extensive description of the technology before the show started, and I went to see the demo twice—once at a reasonable seating distance and again in the front row to look for any artifacts.

The demo setup included a Da-Lite HD Pro Matte White screen (11' wide, 2.35:1, 1.3 gain). The room also had a Pioneer Elite Atmos speaker system and SC-85 AVR, through the ceiling was padded and thus pretty absorptive—no one told Epson that the room needed a reflective ceiling, so that part of the demo was not ideal. No biggie; we were there to see the projector. The sources were a RedRay 4K player and an Oppo BDP-103D Blu-ray player with the Darbee processing turned off.

According to Epson, the LS10000 is THX and ISF certified, and the calibration controls are not interactive, which is very cool. Kevin Miller calibrated the projector and measured a peak white level of around 18 foot-lamberts from the screen.

The demo itself consisted of two clips. The first was a montage of 16:9 UHD/4K shots from the RedRay player, including shots of Los Angeles, flowers, and New York City, which were displayed using Epson's new 4K Enhancement technology that is similar to JVC's e-Shift. The blacks were exceptionally deep, and the detail was excellent; even up close, I didn't see any jaggies. However, I did see some judder in vertical edges of some buildings in the pans across downtown Los Angeles, though not in similar pans across New York. Epson acknowledged this, and we both thought it is probably in the content, since it wasn't consistent. Colors were generally beautiful, though there was a bit of a greenish tint in the silver-gray part of the Red logo.

The second clip was 1080p from the Oppo Blu-ray player at 2.35:1, demonstrating the projector's motorized zoom, focus, and lens shift with 10 memories (the first two of which are available from dedicated buttons on the remote). The clip was from Need for Speed, which the presenter selected because it's a fast car-race scene with no CGI. As the presenter pointed out, one of the young actors does not bleach his slightly yellow teeth, and he is wearing heavy pancake makeup to cover his acne, all of which was evident in the image. And one of the cars is bright red, which looked really red, not orangish. This led me to wonder about the calibration, since that color red is not within the BT.709 gamut. I'll have to ask Kevin about that.

UPDATE: Kevin has verified that the red color—and indeed all colors and the grayscale—were nearly perfect after his calibration; see post 68 in this thread for the calibration results. I was influenced by the presenter's assertion that the red car was outside the normal gamut, which it clearly wasn't. Just goes to show how the mind can be tricked.

At a normal seating distance, the detail looked fine, but in the front row, I could see obvious edge-enhancement ringing and jaggies. I'm sure that Epson's new Super Resolution with Detail Enhancement was enabled—it's one of the features the company is touting in the new projectors—and the 1080p image was being "upscaled" to faux-K, but at that distance, the result was not pretty.

Still, I saw plenty that I really liked. The LS projectors should be shipping in the next three months, and I look forward to having one in my home theater—I prefer to wait for a production unit rather than testing an engineering sample as some reviewers have already done. The Epson LS projectors weren't the only laser-illuminated projectors at CEDIA, but they were the least expensive, making them very interesting to me and many other home-theater geeks.