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Tema: Megalopolis (Francis Ford Coppola, 2024)

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    YOU DON’T GET movies like Megalopolis every century. That was the gist of the coverage surrounding the production and release of 85-year-old Francis Ford Coppola’s bizarre new epic. The film, which Coppola has been developing for over four decades, had its initial production disrupted by the September 11 attacks; the final cut features never-before-seen Ground Zero footage shot by the original crew. The reportedly $120 million dollar budget was entirely self-financed by Coppola, who sold a portion of his own vineyard with seemingly no expectation of recouping that cost. Lionsgate is putting the film in theaters, yet as part of that deal, Coppola has had to market it on his own dime. There are three decidedly “problematic” actors with prominent roles. A recent trailer falsely attributed AI-generated pull quotes to Pauline Kael. A lawsuit has been filed over a trade paper’s account of the working conditions on-set. All of this lead-up felt almost naively glamorous, like it should spin into frame on a newspaper headline.

    That energy carries into the film proper. Describing fragments of Megalopolis makes it sound not only shocking but also hysterically, majestically so. The eponymous city looks like it was made using Softimage. The Cannes premiere made headlines for featuring a scene in which Adam Driver has a conversation with a live audience member. There is a subplot featuring a desecrated Virgin Mary figure who is clearly meant to evoke Taylor Swift. Shia LaBeouf eats Aubrey Plaza’s ass quasi-incestuously while they plot the hostile takeover of a bank. Characters spontaneously recite Hamlet, quote Rousseau, lapse into spoken Latin; extras scream “Don’t tread on me!” Half the dialogue is ADR with no attempt to sync the new audio to the actors’ lips. There are chariot races and musical numbers and Russian satellites that become nuclear bombs. Treating the film itself like gossip fodder for the event of its mere existence does a disservice to the comparatively straightforward viewing experience; Coppola’s vision is one of simple, unrelentingly legible, and totalizing cohesion.

    The basic premise runs as follows: Cesar Catilina (Adam Driver) is a wealthy architect with dreams of systemically rebuilding New York Rome as “Megalopolis,” powered by the impervious Megalon, an element with limitless applications and properties. He is at war over plans for the city with the pragmatic, corrupt Mayor Franklyn Cicero (Giancarlo Esposito), who once wrongfully prosecuted him over the untimely death of Cesar’s first wife. This all grows more complicated as Cesar becomes romantically entangled with the mayor’s daughter Julia (Nathalie Emmanuel) after she witnesses him manipulating time at will. Meanwhile, Cesar’s scorned ex, a minxy reporter named Wow Platinum (Plaza), seduces his uncle Hamilton Crassus III (Jon Voight), the richest man in the world, whose cross-dressing Trumpian son (LaBeouf) courts a far-right mob in his campaign for alderman. This all progresses with an odd rhythm, with hyperactive montage and tonal instability distracting the viewer from the film’s lurching pace and penchant for narrative and thematic asides. It feels like a movie made by someone who has already seen it thousands of times, with subplots concluded in split-second cutaways while simple establishing shots are held for three times as long as conventional wisdom would dictate.

    The dramatic machinations mostly serve to highlight Megalopolis’s most obvious (and least successful) goal: to serve as a neoliberal polemic. Basically, the narrative asserts not only that democracy will counteract fascism within the United States but also that the American dream can achieve a utopian actualization of collective brotherhood that may propel us into a better tomorrow. The message is pat, out of touch, and disappointingly literal. This is not helped by the many tangents on a variety of hot-button issues, from the housing crisis to cancel culture, which even the edit itself seems to be pushing off the screen. For a movie with such a lengthy gestation period—one that is ostensibly so focused on the future—its observations feel restrictively contemporary.

    There are attempts to offset this failing via incessant quotation. Cesar, and by extension Coppola, urges “debate” and asserts that one of mankind’s greatest virtues is the preservation and implementation of historical fact, thought, and art. This means characters often interrupt each other to drop tenuously related wisdom from Marcus Aurelius or the Founding Fathers. I am unconvinced that this is a rhetorically successful gambit and not a kind of intellectual nostalgia.

    Similarly, as a visual spectacle, the cinematic grammar is decidedly old-fashioned. The film luxuriates in its iris shots, double exposures, and speed-ramped gestures. Green-screened performers awkwardly break the barriers of a three-way split-screen montage. Cameras swing from crane shots into Dutch angles against the backdrops of a soundstage. Coppola seems enamored of the kind of idiosyncratic and playful wonder of early cinema, but nothing here produces the kind of awe the film’s lofty ambitions seem to demand. For as much as this movie feels wholly unique, there’s never really a moment that is without artistic precedent. None of the editing advances beyond what Sergei Eisenstein was doing 100 years ago; none of the visual tricks goes beyond what Fritz Lang and Orson Welles accomplished way back when. Even the design of Megalopolis itself is a relic of midcentury “futurism.” This supposedly one-of-a-kind experience turns out to be merely well-curated pastiche.

    So if Megalopolis fails to become the thing it seemed destined to be—this groundbreaking and radical motion picture of endless invention and depth—then what does it wind up being? Furthermore, why has it consumed my every waking moment since I first viewed it?

    The critical consensus, even among the film’s defenders, suggests that Megalopolis is “technically” a poorly made film, as if an appeal to common fashion could provide empirical evidence of the movie’s worthlessness. I promise that my respect for the film’s craft is not contrarian posturing. There is an obsessively honed intuition for all variety of dramatic and visual flourishes on display throughout, weaving together various traditions from a few thousand years’ worth of popular entertainment. The Shakespearean climax is a virtuosic bacchanalia, featuring a Golden Age musical number, wrestling, circus performers, and a family dinner disaster. It is a ridiculously fun movie with the enviable quality where, while watching it, it is constantly impossible to determine what happens next.

    Beyond its delightful buzziness, this is just a solidly made picture. Even with the janky CGI, each shot evinces Coppola’s strong sense for blocking. It takes skill, even for someone of his generation, to direct in a dead visual dialect with such fluency. He has a real knack for negotiating the tonal instability of the piece, which moves from the broadly vulgar to the sincerely didactic. Yes, it’s weird that its characters speak in bygone idioms and clunky transliterations, but it is a rare treat to have a film demand that its audience adjust such a basic expectation, a demand rewarded by at least some of its performances.

    For all the spectacle, Megalopolis’s ultimate fate falls at the feet of its actors and their ability to sell the audience on the project’s more obtuse aspects. Plaza plays her part with the verve of a pre-code vixen, an astonishingly sincere performance that could easily have felt ironic or uncommitted. Esposito seems at first to be typecast as unnervingly competent and composed before fear begins to consume his character in the latter half of the film, when even his most inconsequential lines of dialogue are infused with a hollow desperation. Driver, despite mostly forgoing the kind of maniacal flittering that made his turn in 2021’s Annette (perhaps Megalopolis’s only contemporary peer in terms of neurotic retro inspiration), is remarkable, proving once again that he is the strongest and most graceful screen actor of his generation. And Emmanuel … well, she manages to at least avoid sucking all the air out of the theater every time she opens her mouth.

    Perhaps that’s not her fault. Much can be made of the film’s sexism, though it would probably be missing the point. The movie does not loathe women (really, it is ecstatically enamored with them), but rendered as archetypes in a fable, the female characters are noticeably empty vessels for the men’s ideas and passion. Julia’s arc, to the extent that she has one, is to cease quoting her father and mimic her husband instead. Wow Platinum’s desires for political power are merely a tool for strong-arming the affections of Cesar himself. The women in New Rome only exist as refractions of the passions and ideologies that spring from the men who love them.

    That’s not to say there are really any characters in the movie, as opposed to ideological chess pieces. The effect is not allegorical, but, rather, the performances become images themselves, ones that collide with any postproduction gimmicks. Every scattered component of the film rings with deep auteurist significance. Megalopolis is surely a film about legacy, about the world we leave behind for our children, but even that interpretation is misleading. Whether he’s exploring the legacy of New York, of baby boomers, of New Hollywood, or of America itself, Coppola can only ever really conceptualize these things within the framework of one very specific legacy: his own. The director has lamented how his generation desecrated the viability of the film industry, but certain references also situate the film’s relationship to more recent events Coppola has lived through: the opening scene recalls the early-2020s suicides at Hudson Yards; Cesar’s ostensibly shattering speeches sound ripped from the Build Back Better campaign trail. The limitations and inclinations of Megalopolis align precisely with the real-world implications of Coppola’s own wish to do right by the present and future needs of his family, his mentees, his city, his nation, from his own detached, outré perspective. Every bit of the film is an extension of Coppola’s psyche, evident via not some feigned omniscience but the fact that the nature of the project is so earnestly, obviously self-obsessed.

    A normal person might assume that this means Cesar is a mirror for Coppola himself. This is somewhat true; there is a (knowingly psychopathic) braggadocio with which Cesar accomplishes his Ayn Rand–adjacent ambitions for a better world, displacing hundreds of thousands of people in controlled demolitions carried out for city planning. He carries this out like a director on a set acting with a feverous determination to produce something that will outlive him. Only the director of The Godfather (1972) and Apocalypse Now (1979) would dare compare himself to a man like that.

    The dimensions of the movie’s roundabout intimacy converge into view from all directions. Coppola family members appear constantly. When Cesar professes to Julia that he cannot stop time without her, that she is the force that inspires everything he does, it echoes what Coppola has long said of his late wife Eleanor, to whom Megalopolis is dedicated. Talia Shire, the director’s sister, plays Cesar’s disapproving mother. In the film’s best scene, Cesar instructs a group of children who are helping him design the city; as they climb on top of each other, forming a living sculpture, he orders: “Make interesting shapes!” Coppola conceptualizes the family at the core of the film as an iconic and powerful force for progress, in a way that only the patriarch of the greatest living Hollywood dynasty could.

    Toward the end of the film, Cicero visits Cesar in a plea to leave his daughter and her unborn child in exchange for the government’s total support of Megalopolis and a signed document proving that Cicero framed Cesar for his wife’s death. At this moment, he reveals his first name: “Frank. Or Francis.” Yet this plot thread is dropped almost immediately, and Cesar, after being shot by a child hired by his cousin, regenerates himself via the power of Megalon, a material that not only saves his life but also offers a quasi-divine personal catharsis. He becomes a martyr, a champion, an idea, inseparable from the new city, no longer functioning as Coppola’s surrogate.

    In one of the very last scenes, we watch as Cicero’s wife rides a moving walkway into Megalopolis. Francis Cicero, who has grown increasingly reliant on a cane over the course of the film, watches her go in a state of agony, reaching his hand out toward her. She beckons to him, and he steps forward, out of love and desperation, bucking all fear, into a beautiful future he cannot imagine. And thus, everything about the film falls into place. The hallucinatory collapse of time and genre, all the disparate threads, feels both inevitable and essential: this is a movie about a man desperate to find hope for a future that will not include him, one that he may not even understand.

    Ultimately, I loved Megalopolis. Perhaps I am being seduced by the allure of late-style auteurism. Perhaps I am too close to my own grandfather to not find myself fascinated and moved by such a holistic realization of the male boomer worldview. Perhaps there is a part of my brain that wants to solve an unsolvable artifact. Regardless, Megalopolis is a rousingly personal summation of a generation’s ethos, by one of its Great Artists, with all the follies of judgment and artistic limitations one might expect. Maybe there will never be another movie like it, but in its place, there will still be interesting shapes.
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    And I came here to see Jason Statham fight an ancient underwater civilization of giant sharks! Fuck this!
    (storm out)
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    Si esto ultimo es veridico, me parto el maldito pecho.

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    Si esto ultimo es veridico, me parto el maldito pecho.

    No hombre, es coña. ¿Cómo va a salirse la gente de la sala pensando que iba a aparecer Statham en Megalopolis peleando contra tiburones gigantes?
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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Esto es interesante.

    There’s an establishing shot of New Rome early in the film that has billboards advertising Spielberg’s AI movie. Also some of the footage of the part of the city destroyed by the satellite is real ground zero footage from the 11-S mayhem (!).


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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Y he leido esto por ahí (cogedlo con pinzas, claro).

    I worked on Megalopolis. What a journey!

    There was a BTS/documentary crew around for the whole thing since prep started. I'm assuming that will come out with whatever release we get. Eleanor Coppola was present for majority of the shoot, every day until she fell ill. Coppola is one of a kind. Totally insane, but clearly a genius. Driver seemed like he was in love with Coppola and his process. Completely over the moon with the guy.
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    BruceTimm y Marty_Mcfly. El comic basado en el universo y personajes de Megalopolis (no contará la misma historia de la peli), está viniendo.

    Primera imagen oficial cortesía de uno de los autores, Jacob Phillips. 148 páginas tendrá.

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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    No hombre, es coña. ¿Cómo va a salirse la gente de la sala pensando que iba a aparecer Statham en Megalopolis peleando contra tiburones gigantes?
    Nunca se sabe. Te recuerdo las pelis de Megalodon de Statham por si no lo asociabas Pero el chiste está muy bien traído
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    Nunca se sabe. Te recuerdo las pelis de Megalodon de Statham por si no lo asociabas Pero el chiste está muy bien traído
    Claro, en eso se basa la coña. Dudo mucho que la gente esperase Megalodon 3: La Venganza, en la sala donde proyectaban Megalopolis. Por eso le decía a Prime que es eso, una coña, y no algo real.

    Efectivamente esta muy bien traido el chiste.
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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Por cierto:

    I saw the film it at the Aero Theatre on New Years Day and sat two rows behind Coppola. He was laughing along with everybody else, particularly during
    Spoiler Spoiler:




    Afterwards, he confirmed that he
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    Que cachondo este Francis.
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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    BruceTimm y Marty_Mcfly. El comic basado en el universo y personajes de Megalopolis (no contará la misma historia de la peli), está viniendo.

    Primera imagen oficial cortesía de uno de los autores, Jacob Phillips. 148 páginas tendrá.

    Lleva terminado desde julio
    https://www.instagram.com/thatjacobp...p/C9NQpYVtipM/
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    Ah, ok. Entonces tanto el documental de Figgis como el comic están terminados.

    Pues ya podrían lanzarlos, ya.
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Ah, ok. Entonces tanto el documental de Figgis como el comic están terminados.

    Pues ya podrían lanzarlos, ya.
    He leído a uno en reddit diciendo que en insta Jacob dijo que para verano.
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    He leído a uno en reddit diciendo que en insta Jacob dijo que para verano.
    Tendría gracia que saliese antes el comic que la película en físico en USA.
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    BruceTimm y Marty_Mcfly. El comic basado en el universo y personajes de Megalopolis (no contará la misma historia de la peli), está viniendo.

    Primera imagen oficial cortesía de uno de los autores, Jacob Phillips. 148 páginas tendrá.



    Megalopolisverse
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    I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)

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    Coppola dice que esta parte en concreto referencia El Ladron de Bagdad (1924), incluyendo -pero no solo- el uso del tintado de color.

    Demonios, ¡todo en este film es una referencia a otra obra de arte! Estaría bien que listase todas, para analizar.
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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Reportaje sobre el diseño de sonido del film.


    "The first time we watched an early cut with Francis, there was stark silence. It was a room full of sound professionals and a few others who just sat there and didn’t say a word.

    When we finally turned around and looked at him, he said, “It’s weird, right? It’s weird. Is it weird enough?”

    The general response was, “Yeah it’s pretty weird, man.”

    The next day we watched it again with him and got a live director’s commentary, which was wildly helpful in mentally processing the material. When you hear it straight from his mouth as you’re watching it – that kind of blow-by-blow – it lets you in on what he’s attempting to express through all of this. That was creatively very useful.
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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    The scene where you see Cesar skull is a practical effect, not vfx. The first few days of dailies were testing that shot and the Adam Driver sideways shot. Essentially they had one clip of a skeleton that they used as a projection into the camera that would only be visible under certain lighting conditions. That’s why the lips are visible, it’s a practical shot, like the vast majority within the film.
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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Y esto ha dicho Ivy Lightsey, quien "interpreta" a Lady Justice en la película.

    It was an honor to be a living statue for FFC. We were painted head to toe. Real rain machines and basically a paper mache costume. We did about 30 takes for my scene. It was surreal and magical!
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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Tenía que haberlo hecho todo con Volume. Lástima que no aceptase la ayuda ecónomica de Lucas.
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Spoilers


    I loved it in the movie when Adam Driver's on the red carpet, and he's mocking the press about the questions they ask about his project, and he says to them, imitating their questions, “What kind of pizza place is it going to be?”

    Coppola:

    To me that was apt for the kind of questions that get asked of people, these obvious questions they already know the answer to. In the movie, when they say to Julia, Do you like girls? And Adam says, Everybody likes girls, right? Girls are wonderful. We love girls.


    When you have the banker character, Crassus, played by Jon Voight—who's this kind of, you know, older man who's slipping into dementia—when you have him totally renounce what he was doing with debt, you know, it seemed kind of Biden-esque.


    Coppola: That moment is really sort of a gag, because there's no one who's thought of worse from Ancient Rome than Crassus. He made his money by buying houses that were on fire, and he had the control of the fire department. And Crassus is the guy who crucified Spartacus. He was known as the richest man in Rome, not a nice guy. So for him to say, I'll be loved forever is, to me, funny.



    The film ends with the baby as the only element of the last shot that's moving.


    Coppola:

    Because the thing the characters in the film care about is the future. Their child is the future. The movie starts with a guy stopping time. Time has stopped at half dozen places in the movie, and it's appropriate that it stops at the end, but with the children.

    That's why I did the Pledge of Allegiance at the end. I remember doing the Pledge of Allegiance to America as a kid, and now it's time to pledge allegiance to our human family and to all the creatures that we have to take care of, and to this Earth, and to the promise that we're going to educate the children, all the children, and take care of them.

    We're going to preserve the future. I'm very sincere about it. My big dream on this movie is not anything other than what my biggest happiness would be. If every New Year's people see this movie, and instead of, when they go home saying I'm going to give up smoking or I'm going to give up eating too much, instead they say, let's talk about the future of this society, the only one available to us, and how can we make it better. Because if they have that conversation, as Cesar says, that is utopia.
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Tripley, este segmento del largo reportaje/entrevista a los editores de sonido del film me ha gustado especialmente:

    There was a sequence where Julia is following him through the hallways and they’re doing this invisible rope tug-of-war dance. That, to me, was the beginning of this mating ritual. I remember reading about storks; when they’re trying to attract a mate, they clap their bills. So I started putting in all these rhythmic clapping bills through that sequence. And you’ll even hear weird, callouts from storks – just to use elements from nature to help paint the picture of this courtship, but all while Cesar is struggling with his demons.

    Many scenes in Megalopolis offered vast opportunities for sound, including the garish, spectacle-driven wedding of Crassus and Wow Platinum that had gladiator fights, chariot races, a ‘live’ music performance, and other ‘commercial’ entertainment, Cesar’s substance-fueled/altered state exploration of the Colosseum (aka, Madison Square Garden), and Cesar’s post-shooting dream sequence. These scenes required significant sound work from all departments – from sound design to loop group. Here, the ‘weirdness’ of the sound gets to shines.

    For example, during the wedding scenes, the crowd sounds (recorded with nearly 80 loop groupers) includes things PA announcements for soft drinks, a 50/50 raffle, and a ‘hype-girl’ in the crowd operating a tee-shirt cannon. The sound of Cesar’s trippy experience features the sounds of water, stork bills clapping, and heightened tactile sounds that had a rhythmic feel. And the post-shooting dream sequence touches on Cesar’s past, his birth, his mother, the loss of his wife, his ability to stop time, and the genesis of the megalon. Finding sounds to communicate these ideas through the flow of visual was a huge challenge for the sound designers.


    Strangely, the Madison Square Garden setpiece, that’s one of the more untouched sequences in the movie. It remained largely intact for most of postproduction. When I initially saw it, I was so excited by it because as a fan – especially a fan of Bram Stoker’s Dracula – it was like vintage Coppola to me. This was the filmmaker flexing his muscles.


    We used layered voices and phrases from Adam Driver. He keeps repeating, “When we leap into the unknown, we prove that we are free” throughout it. It’s a key message of the sequence and of Cesar’s philosophy, and it’s poignant.

    We threw so much sound gratuitously around the room in that sequence. I don’t think we’ve ever been so over the top in terms of discrete placement of voices in different corners of the room. I remember at one point as we were mixing that sequence, Francis turned to us and said, “This is a weird movie!” as if it had taken on a life of its own.
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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Branagh/Doyle, otra muestra, de la multitud de capas y detalles que presenta la película, en un elemento, el sonoro, que muchas veces no se aprovecha tanto.

    A ver cuando hago una revisión calmada de la misma.

    Saludos
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    Cita Iniciado por Tripley Ver mensaje
    Branagh/Doyle, otra muestra, de la multitud de capas y detalles que presenta la película, en un elemento, el sonoro, que muchas veces no se aprovecha tanto.

    A ver cuando hago una revisión calmada de la misma.

    Saludos
    El tema es ese, que este film se presta a varios revisionados con calma en el futuro porque tiene mucha chicha y capas pero desde el visionado en salas todavía no tenemos edición doméstica, aunque bueno, ya queda menos para poder hacerse con ella.
    Última edición por Branagh/Doyle; 20/02/2025 a las 14:58 Razón: Mejor así
    Tripley ha agradecido esto.
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Por todos estos apuntes técnicos que van saliendo, la verdad es que tengo muchas ganas de echarle el guante a la película, en un buen visionado UHD en V.O., como es debido...
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    Cita Iniciado por Muthur Ver mensaje
    Por todos estos apuntes técnicos que van saliendo, la verdad es que tengo muchas ganas de echarle el guante a la película, en un buen visionado UHD en V.O., como es debido...
    Yo lo estoy deseando. No se si te va a parecer una completa locura cachonda y divertida o una completa locura pretenciosa, pero sea como sea el viaje va a ser movidito.

    Edito: O puede que te guste mucho de verdad, como ha sido mi caso.

    Última edición por Branagh/Doyle; 20/02/2025 a las 16:32 Razón: Me comi un trozo
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    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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