“You can’t speak, you can’t move, but this opens you up to the influence and it breaks down your defenses. Trust me, all right? You’re going to love it.”
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
Mad dog dijo...
"se filman muchos planos con un trabajo óptico novedoso que sitúa igualmente enfocados un personaje en primer plano y otro al fondo"
Supongo que te refieres a esto:
A Split Focus Diopter is half convex glass that attaches in front of the camera’s main lens to make half the lens nearsighted. The lens can focus on a plane in the background and the diopter on a foreground element. In the 1970’s and 1980’s, Brian De Palma championed the use of this tool to enhance the visual and emotional experience of his films.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
Esa técnica es la que sale aquí?
Porque parece un collage mal hecho si te fijas en el centro de la composición...
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
Menos mal que yo no soy la única . Ya dije que en el último revisionado que intenté hacer, hubo cosas de la fotografía que me parecieron malas, malas ... Yo lo achacaba a la mala calidad de la copia que vi...
Por cierto ¿soy la única que piensa que Jesucristo tiene una pinta absolutamente inquietante en ese plano..?
No las conocía y tienen una pinta impresionante, apuntadas desde ya en mi lista de pendientes...
Madre mía, ¿pero cómo te tragas estas cosas ..? Y mira que a mí me gustan las historias de vampiros, y mira que me gustan los romances sobrenaturales y me confieso culpable de haber escrito algunas historias bastante nauseabundas al respecto, pero ¿qué te esperas de una película que adapta una novela escrita por una tía que es mormona, dirigida por un director que no ha vuelto hacer nada potable desde su primera película e interpretada por un tío con pinta de enfermo y una tía con perpetua expresión de asco ..?
Última edición por Jane Olsen; 23/02/2019 a las 14:24
"There is an inmense joy when you suddenly discover beauty in something that has been around you for ages".
"Waving the flag with one hand and picking pockets with the other: that's your patriotism. Well, you can have it." Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious.
"Listen to them... Children of the night! What music they make..!"
Efectivamente, es esa misma técnica, usada por primera vez en grandes cantidades en Citizen Kane (41). King of Kings también la emplea.
https://videopress.com/v/hzt0HRK8
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
Más ejemplos de Split Diopter.
El Cid (1961):
https://videopress.com/v/PVhW6Qpl
The Haunting (1963):
https://videopress.com/v/9nh3fhde
Chinatown (1974):
https://videopress.com/v/Tk8ktwuP
No acabo de entender por qué se considera esta técnica ejemplo de fotografía cutre y mala... para mi es todo lo contrario.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
"There is an inmense joy when you suddenly discover beauty in something that has been around you for ages".
"Waving the flag with one hand and picking pockets with the other: that's your patriotism. Well, you can have it." Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious.
"Listen to them... Children of the night! What music they make..!"
La foto . Y no veo que tiene de chapucero que el fondo esté igualmente enfocado que lo que ocurre en primer plano... ¿los filtros de difusión y niebla, que restan nitidez y añaden "textura borrosa" también te parecen chapuceros? Porque Superman (1978), hace uso de eso de eso a porrillo.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
En ese clip está bien logrado, ya que dentro de lo peculiar solo queda difuminado el borde de su pelo...
En The haunting y Chinatown está bien logrado. Me encantan las composiciones, pero en los otros ejemplos la técnica no parece muy resuelta ya que se puede ver medio fondo borroso con un limite bastante artificial.
Última edición por Anonimo19042021; 23/02/2019 a las 14:32
Dejo el artículo de donde he sacado los ejemplos, que explica está técnica y el por qué de uso a fondo. Lectura recomendadísima...
Cheating Depth: The Magic of Split Diopter Shots
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
La verdad, lo reconozco, no sabía de esa técnica llamada split diopter. Ahora, leyendo me he enterado. Eso de permitir dos puntos de enfoque en las dos partes del plano me parece muy interesante. Esto se llevaba a cabo dividiendo el punto de enfoque de la lente que utilizaban para así obtener diferentes dioptrías.
Me entero mejor con lo de dos puntos de enfoque
Eastwood también lo utilizó (o más bien su director de fotografía habitual, Jack N. Green)
Mi blog: www.criticodecine.es
No lo digo sólo por el truco ése (me acabo de enterar de que existe, la próxima vez que vea Ciudadano Kane o cualquiera de las otras que citáis -supongo que en Rey de Reyes se nota más por éso del formato panorámico- procuraré fijarme), es por otras cosas. Cierto tono oscuro como sucio -repito, pudo ser cosa de la copia, que todas las que pasan en 13TV van de lo malo a lo infame- de la fotografía, fotogramas desenfocados, y una combinación de colores rara -cuando no fea- en bastantes planos, que hacía que bastantes objetos, sets y hasta actores parecieran de plástico gastado. 55 Días en Pekín la tengo más reciente, y no la recuerdo tan mal fotografiada (dicen que el grueso de la película no lo hizo Ray). Tampoco Rebelde sin causa, que ésa sí que la vi la semana pasada, aunque no comenté nada -no tengo tiempo -.
"There is an inmense joy when you suddenly discover beauty in something that has been around you for ages".
"Waving the flag with one hand and picking pockets with the other: that's your patriotism. Well, you can have it." Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious.
"Listen to them... Children of the night! What music they make..!"
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.
Un pequeño recuerdo al gran Stanley Donen que nos ha dejado a los 94 años. El último de los directores del HOllywood clásico. Se le echará de menos, pero sus pelis son imperecederas.
Mi blog: www.criticodecine.es
Yo creo que he dado (por ahora) 19 buenas razones para considerar a Nicholas Ray como uno de los mejores directores norteamericanos de postguerra.
Y en cuanto al tema técnico que ha salido a la palestra es lo que se suele llamar la profundidad de campo. Gregg Toland fue un pionero en sus trabajos con William Wyler y que también usaría de forma sobresaliente en CIUDADANO KANE.
Última edición por Alcaudón; 23/02/2019 a las 18:33