I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)
Articulo de Mark Hughes en Forbes (Recordemos que el tampoco creía que existiera el corte, y ahora es uno de sus defensores)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug.../#13f172145871
Y aqui el articulo de Variety, que da alo mas de información sobre los proximos movimientos/proyectos del estudio pero que continua diciendo a diferencia de Mark Hughes que el Snyder Cut no va a salir...
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/d...ey-1203415757/
Puede que muchos no lo recuerden, pero Superman II de Lester fue recibida todavía mejor que la original por la crítica. Snyder, por otro lado, ni gusta a la crítica, ni a muchos cinéfilos, ni a fans del cine de superhéroes. Si no fuera porque si aquí cuatro gritan mucho revientan la cúpula... Hemos pasado de "no es buena, pero por lo menos Whedon hizo algunas cosas bien que el manta este no sabía por dónde coger" a "justicia para Zack!!!" de forma casi paródica.
Y si ya la versión de Donner es un film inacabado (tanto, que hubo de usar material de Lester para el Donner Cut), dudo mucho que lo que haya de Snyder sea más que un primerizo assembly cut, conteniendo desde escenas cerca de acabar hasta algunas que no pasen de material de post visualizacion. De montaje, color, sonido (diseño, montaje, efectos de) o música ni hablamos. Si ese es el caso, y todo indica que lo es, eso no es una película. Es un proceso hacia una película. Y ya deben pasar décadas para que a alguien se le ocurriera hacer algo ni cercano a terminar eso en mínimas condiciones. No lo hicieron del todo con Superman II...
Que sería interesante de ver, oye. Desde un punto de vista académico, y para los fans de Snyder (que los hay, aunque parezca increíble...) para tener una idea de por dónde iban las intenciones de ese director. Pero, sin hacer referencia a nadie específico de este foro, creo que muchos fans se iban a decepcionar, pues no creo que su concepto de "cut" se acerque tan siquiera al que se ajusta a la realidad.
Última edición por J.S.; 26/11/2019 a las 18:04
Un usuario le pidió a Zack que por favor dijese algo, que estaba perdiendo la esperanza. A lo que Zack respondió muy en su estilo con un escueto, "no la pierdas."
Interesante lo que ha publicado Grace Randolph en Twitter hace un rato. Primero habla de que no existe nueva información, claramente en relación a varios medios que usan titulares sensacionalistas para generar visitas.
Pero lo más interesante es que, según ella, el Snyder Cut debutaría en HBO MAX, aclarando además que WB no tiene mucha prisa por anunciar algo tan pronto. Recordemos que su estreno, al menos en USA, está previsto para mayo de 2020.
Además, nos recuerda que ocurrió lo mismo con el culebrón de Spider-Man, Sony y Disney.
E insiste en que lo lógico es que se trate de una exclusiva de la plataforma para lograr más suscriptores.
A título personal añado que espero que, pasado el tiempo, se lance también en formato físico.
Feliz #Trinity Tuesday a todos![]()
In space no one can hear you scream.
Hasta un reloj roto da la hora bien dos veces al día, pero hacerle caso a Gracieta Randolph es una decisión vital muy cuestionable para el propio medro.![]()
Zack ha compartido nuevos fotogramas inéditos en Vero:
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In space no one can hear you scream.
Con Mera.
Si eso no son escenas acabadas, que baje Dios y lo vea.
Hail the f*** Zack, shit![]()
Tiene sentido que Warner retrase el anuncio para mantener el interes, esta publicidad para HBO es impagable.
Dark Seid se une a la fiesta:
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In space no one can hear you scream.
¿En serio puedes saber si una escena está acabada por un fotograma aislado?. Guau.
A estas alturas lo único que se nos han enseñado básicamente son imágenes estáticas planos cerrados de los actores, ni un solo plano general que permita dar fe de que no hay en lo mostrado una pantalla verde que demuestre que el trabajo en dicha escena no está ni iniciado.
Porque en estas películas en que la mayoría de las imágenes contienen pantalla verde y necesita un intenso trabajo de postproducción, tener a los actores grabados en el plató es no tener nada, a las pruebas me remito:
Y Snyder las únicas "pruebas" que ofrece de la "existencia" de su montaje son fotos fijas de los actores en el plató, ni una puta secuencia inédita completa con toda la postproducción hecha, salvo las imágenes que aprecieron en los primerísimos trailers claro, más allá de eso nada, de nada.
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Última edición por Jackaluichi; 27/11/2019 a las 03:00
In space no one can hear you scream.
Holy Shit!
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In space no one can hear you scream.
Algunos mensajes se han moderado de forma provisional hasta que el moderador de esta zona aplique las normas correspondientes, las normas están para cumplirlas y en ningún momento se va a admitir el faltar a otros miembros del foro.
Este hilo trata de la liga de la justicia, si me veo obligado a hacer cumplir las normas, no va ser con simples avisos.
Moderación.
La música está terminada, el compositor lo comentó hace poco tiempo, creo que fue Marty quien enlazó sus declaraciones.
Por otra parte... del artículo de Hughes que enlaza el compañero más arriba. Cito extracto:
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First, let’s be clear about a few things: yes, a Snyder Cut does exist in near-finished form; yes, several people have seen the Snyder Cut; yes, there were multiple edits of the film, including an early assembly cut, but Snyder and his crew continued working on the film and created a more completed version; and yes, some of the fans who want to see the Snyder Cut have engaged in bad behavior, but that’s a separate issue unrelated to whether the Snyder Cut exits and whether it should be released, and nobody should oppose the release of Snyder’s vision simply based on disliking how some of the fans behave.
It’s also worth noting that there was indeed a sustained campaign to convince everyone that no Snyder Cut exists, with some people intentionally spreading false information to mislead the press and public, while others spread the false information because they were misled by their bosses or sources and had no other evidence at the time to convince them otherwise.
I am not sure what compels some media and journalists to continue denying the Snyder Cut exists after a great deal of confirmation, nor why some of them insist it would require tens of millions of dollars to complete Snyder’s version (it wouldn’t, and those claims seem based on the outlets/journalists falsely believing only the assembly cut exists). While Warner could indeed spend some additional money to finish a few elements or tweak a few others, Snyder’s version could be released as-is without additional spending and viewers would get the full film with 90+% completed footage, VFX, and sound.
Claiming the Snyder Cut doesn’t exist, or that it’s a “mythical” entity whose existence is unlikely or in serious question, relies on ignoring the claims of most people who worked on Justice League and who insist that yes, it does exist. It also relies on ignoring the folks who actually saw the cut of the film. And it relies on ignoring all of the footage and images that have steadily leaked out to the public over the past several months. Saying it doesn’t exist or treating its existence as a matter of debate, then, inherently implies a vast conspiracy exists to fool everyone into thinking a movie exists, for the purpose of... what, exactly? What is the supposed motive for so many people to make false claims and to generate images and footage for a supposedly non-existent film?
If your options are to believe either a big conspiracy exists to make you think a movie exists when it doesn’t, or that a studio hid a film from sight after replacing a director amid a broad stumbling by studio leadership, which of those options makes more sense? Your personal opinion about the film, the filmmakers, the fans, or the studio are irrelevant here – this is about truth and logic, and about whether people are willing to admit reality. Because the reality is, the Snyder Cut exists. And here’s a further reality for you to wrap your head around: eventually, inevitably, it will be released, the only question is when and where.
I say all of this as someone who initially didn’t think a true near-complete Snyder Cut existed, since in the early days of this situation I believed the sources who told me only an assembly cut existed and that Snyder didn’t continue production in the time leading up to his departure from the project. At that time, there was almost no leaked information or images to suggest a more completed longer cut existed (other than an assembly cut), and almost nobody who worked on the film was speaking publicly to say a Snyder Cut existed. Most of the movement for releasing the Snyder Cut was rooted in faith and assumptions, which at the time were in contradiction to evidence being provided behind the scenes to those of us in the press.
But even then, my own skepticism about the existence of a Snyder Cut was framed within the context of my belief that a longer cut did exist, but that it was only about 75-80-% completed. I thought a lot more VFX and sound editing were needed, and that no reshoots or pickups ever got shot before Snyder’s departure. My objection was to fans who said there was a “90+” or (as was commonly claimed on social media by some of the louder and more aggressive fans at that time) “99%” finished Snyder Cut, which I believed – based on evidence I’d seen and lack of physical evidence to the contrary at the time – was untrue.
I have obviously seen and heard more over the past year, including new images and footage, sources with more information about what happened, a more accurate timeline of events during Justice League’s production, and revelations that some folks at the studio were misled about the true nature of a Snyder Cut (some people who originally told me it didn’t exist later contacted me to let me know they had merely repeated what they were told at the time, but they had since learned a Snyder Cut exists). As a result, my understanding of the situation and my position have changed, which I began saying publicly a few months ago.
So I readily admit I was wrong when I said a real Snyder Cut didn’t exist in finished or close-to-finished form. More importantly, I’m happy to have been wrong, since it means there is a real Snyder Cut out there for us to see (and I believe everyone will definitely see it some day, it’s just a matter of time).
Última edición por Branagh/Doyle; 27/11/2019 a las 17:20
"There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”
John Ottman.