Doctor Strange 2: El multiverso de la locura (Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, 2022, Sam Raimi)

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Marty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ffX9-JAKQ

Spoiler:

This utterly insane but creatively brilliant cue accompanies the fight between Strange and his Sinister counterpart where they turn pieces of sheet music into weapons and fling magical music notes at each other like arrows – which results in wicked explosions of different parts of both Beethoven’s Symphony No. 5 and Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, leaping and spiraling out of control and colliding against each other, within Elfman’s chaotic action music. It’s completely silly, but so much fun, and so innovative, and I’m just sad it only lasts for 108 seconds.

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Simplemente decir que esta escena se añadió en los reshoot.

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Simplemente decir que esta escena se añadió en los reshoot.

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Claro, cómo ya he indicado varias veces en este foro, las injerencias no tienen por qué implicar necesariamente resultados negativos, incluso a veces se puede mejorar lo planteado inicialmente, pero la mera existencia del concepto resulta problemática.

Siendo puristas "artísticamente hablando", si el director tiene una idea para una secuencia y el "jefe" tiene otra a priori más interesante... lo suyo sería dejar que el director llevase a cabo su propuesta hasta el final al 100%. Y si se tiene que estrellar, que se estrelle.

Quizás no sea el mismo caso, pero aquí Eggers manifiesta que el estudio ayudó a que su película fuera mejor (otra cosa es que sea verdad lo que dice), sobre 03:30 minutos:

https://youtu.be/3q3fCjDbHls

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Claro, cómo ya he indicado varias veces en este foro, las injerencias no tienen por qué implicar necesariamente resultados negativos, incluso a veces se puede mejorar lo planteado inicialmente, pero la mera existencia del concepto resulta problemática.

Siendo puristas "artísticamente hablando", si el director tiene una idea para una secuencia y el "jefe" tiene otra a priori más interesante... lo suyo sería dejar que el director llevase a cabo su propuesta hasta el final al 100%. Y si se tiene que estrellar, que se estrelle.

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Y también hablando en general, reshoot no implica injerencia; y los guionistas tendrán algo que decir xd
Y ya específicamente en el caso de esta escena, simplemente estaba apuntando que es una escena que ha gustado mucho (aunque también he visto que hay gente a la que ha disgustado :descolocao)y que se añadió bastante tarde, y parece, aún reshoot, idea del propio Raimi.
Saludos 🖖

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Y también hablando en general, reshoot no implica injerencia; y los guionistas tendrán algo que decir xd
Y ya específicamente en el caso de esta escena, simplemente estaba apuntando que es una escena que ha gustado mucho (aunque también he visto que hay gente a la que ha disgustado :descolocao)y que se añadió bastante tarde, y parece, aún reshoot, idea del propio Raimi.
Saludos ��

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Cierto, aunque en el caso de Feige raro es que dos más dos no sean cuatro, no sé si me explico.

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Cierto, aunque en el caso de Feige raro es que dos más dos no sean cuatro, no sé si me explico.

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Claro, y por eso yo hablaba en general de no asociar, en general, reshoot con injerencia. Pero te entiendo XD

Que por cierto, se puede ver un segundo de una escena eliminada en un making off de la peli que se ajusta un poco a las filtraciones que hubieron y de los que se pueden sacar qué es lo que se rerodó:

https://twitter.com/ArishemPC/status...94697839345664

Spoiler:

Sacado de uno de las filtraciones "Eventually, Rintrah and a few survivors from Kamar-Taj and Wong are able to join the fight." Que es lo que se ve en la escena de arriba.

Y bueno, voy a poner dos tochos, en inglés, con las filtraciones que hubo para aclarar que se eliminó y rerodó, aunque hay cosas que son demasiado fantasmas para que fueran verdad, pero en general coinciden bastante con el resultado final, :

Pre-reshoots:

Spoiler:

-------------------------- PART 1 --------------------------

The film takes place 1 year and 2 months after the events
caused by Maximoff in Westview, with the
WandaVision credits scene taking place 8
months after the events in Westview and the movie
starting 4 months after that.

Baron Mordo follows through on his quest to wipe out
all the wizards in the world, and hunts Maximoff
finding her in her hut, at night, waiting for the
right moment to attack her. He tries to
to kill Maximoff with magic arrows by shooting at the
but his magic has no effect, since around the hut there are
around the hut are runes (shown in WandaVision).
Seeing that his attempt went wrong, he tries to
to run away, but Maximoff chases him, corners him and kills him.

Maximoff's mind is totally corrupted by the
by the "learnings" read in Darkhold, so most of the
often acts without thinking. When she realizes what
what she has done, she returns to the cabin in horror.
Right after, we see the Marvel Studios logo.

Maximoff finds a spell in which he reports that the one
who conjures the creature that inhabits it
can have everything he most desires.

In New York, Stephen prepares for Christine's wedding
that will take place in 1/2 a day. He is
shaken that it won't be with him, but is proud
that someone will make her happy.

Stephen walks the halls of Sactum Sanctorum
thinking about everything he lived with Christine and did not
know how to enjoy. Wong makes a joke about this
quoting a Beyoncé song.

In this film, Wong is the Sorcerer Supreme and Stephen
his assistant, since the Sactum doesn't have the protection
of the time stone.

-------------------------- PART 2 --------------------------

Wong and Doctor Strange arrive at the wedding of
Christine Palmer's in New York. Stephen begins to
feel a presence of something and soon after we see a
a portal opening near them and we see a scared girl
coming out from it accompanied by a demon that pursues her.

The demon is Shuma-Gorath, who was summoned by Wanda.
The monster is destroying everything around there.
Stephen saves Christine after a car almost crushes her.
Wong and Doctor Strange begin to battle with the monster
while people run away. America hides.

The scene is very similar to the movie "Fantastic Four: Silver Surfer",
where Sue and Reed fight Silver Surfer at their wedding.

Wong holds the creature in the air, while
Stephen takes out its eye.

Stephen begins to demand explanations from
America, but Wong interferes saying that she is
just a child.

America introduces herself. Wong takes the girl to
go to eat. Stephen accepts the invitation only to gather
information about the girl.

In the pizzeria America eats as if the world is going to
going to end. She is really tired! Doctor Strange interrupts
the girl, telling her to eat less and start giving more explanations.
America ignores him by telling Wong: "Can I have another
one more of this? As you say it in this universe...peperoni!

Stephen slams on the table and tells the girl to start talking.
America says she is hungry. Stephen says he doesn't care, because a
demon practically destroyed a city block and almost killed the love of his love
while trying to catch a "brat".

America mocks him and says: "He didn't try to
to catch me, but to capture me!' Stephen asks
why, and she says that she will only answer if they bring him
another pizza like that. Wong orders the pizza. America
comes to explain that he was in another universe:
"Anyway, let's say that this pizza is the Multiverse.
This is my reality, and this is yours.
They are identical in some ways, but
completely different in others".

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Stephen presses the girl asking what the creature wanted with her.
She says she doesn't know, but is sure that the intentions are not good.

Wong explains that the creature that was chasing America is Shuma Gorath:
a demon of very high rank in the spirit world, which can only be accessed
with strong witchcraft or by a book of black magic, mostly used by witches
witches who do not follow their their purpose of protecting the world,
but have rebelled against it. Wong believes that Shuma was defeated very easily,
and says that based on his studies, he is not the real Shuma,
and that the real Shuma will be coming after America and cause a real "nightmare".

Meanwhile in her hut, Wanda no longer feels the presence
of the creature she summoned. Then in an an act of desperation, she starts
to flip through the book desperately.

Wanda finds a part of the book that says
to have access to creatures from another world, you must
have a high level of knowledge/magic or be able to
travel between alternate realities/worlds, but this
requires a high cost. Wanda hears voices from the book
telling her that she needs this in order to get
her family back together, so as Maximoff is so
totally shaken emotionally and physically, she
thirsts for what is requested in the book.

Maximoff then has an improvement in his powers, but part of her conscience
and free will are being controlled by the book, but she does not does not realize it.

Maximoff then begins to travel through parallel universes
universes/realities in her astral form. She
passes through many universes, universes which
would be perfect for raising her children.

Wanda hears a voice in her head saying:
'America Chavez is the key to your happiness, find the girl'

Chavez feels that a part of her universe is "dying", so
Stephen and Wong travel to the girl's universe through her powers.
When they arrive there, Stephen feels very ill. They see a
Wanda Maximoff totally out of her mind looking for
for America. Wanda spots them and orders them to
give her America.

Stephen mentions that she is not the Wanda that he
met in the battle against Thanos. Wong
complements by saying that she is not.
He feels that her Soul, Aura and spirit are
being controlled and persuaded.
Stephen tells Wong to get the girl out of there
while trying to bring Wanda back to reality.

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Wong and America travel back to their universe and
goes to Kamar Taj seeking help for the girl.
Rintrah (the minotaur) assists Wong on the spot.

Meanwhile in America's universe, Stephen asks Wanda
why she needs the girl. Maximoff says that the girl is the key to reaching
her children. Stephen tells Wanda that what she thinks
she lived through was just a fantasy
and it's not possible to bring it back to reality.
In an act of rage, Maximoff fights him.

Wanda is trying to reach her children,
but she can only travel through the multiverse in astral
projection, and she must travel with her whole body to
reach her children. The only possible option is
America Chavez, who can create portals between
worlds. That's why "Wanda" wants the girl so badly.

In Kamar Taj, Wong consults with other wizards and
people high in power and discovers that the
book of the damned "Darkhold" is
responsible for Wanda's behavior.

Stephen asks Wong for help by thought, he
he is in trouble. Wong tells America
that Strange is in trouble.
America, trying to help, opens the portal to where
Stephen is, but Wanda enters the
portal trying to catch America. The wizards
try to attack Wanda, but she puts an end to them.
Wong, totally moved, cries for
seeing such good people having such a horrible end.

Wong is targeted and captured by Wanda while Strange and Chavez escape.

Stephen and America travel into multiple realities,
until they arrive in one where Mordo is the master
of the mystical arts. Mordo imprisons them for
destabilizing reality. Mordo imprisons America
in a type of magical prison, where she is under the
supervision of Clea. Mordo takes Doctor Strange to the
Illuminati who protect that reality.

The Illuminati team consists of: Monica
Rambeau, Captain Carter, Balder and Professor
Charles Xavier as its leader. Clea is part of the
of the group as an advisor and faithful arm of Xavier.

The Illuminati are debating whether or not to kill Strange and
Strange and America, since he is
messing with the fabric of reality in the
multiverse and that is forbidden.

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Clea, who is also considered part of the team
says that Chavez is a child and doesn't deserve
to die, neither does Strange. Doctor Strange
then tries to warn them about Wanda.

We leave for a scene where
Wanda is shown in this Illuminati timeline with
her children. They are happy and living
normal, but this ends when Wanda from our
from our universe possesses her and uses her to go to the
Illuminati council.

Wanda arrives where the Illuminati are. Balder says
she is nothing but a witch out of control and
will soon be over. Wanda pushes him over the wall
superimposing him and the wall.
Similar to what happened to Cyclops in X-Men: Apocalypse.

A fight breaks out. Xavier has a floating chair
Just like the one featured in the X-Men animated series.

Captain Carter prepares to cut Wanda with her
sword, but Wanda throws her against Monica.

Meanwhile, Clea releases America from
prison and tells the girl to stay with her.

Xavier and Wanda begin to fight. He tries to free
Wanda from this reality from the Wanda of the
timeline, in this he realizes the evil force of Darkhold
Darkhold on Wanda. He warns by thought
to Doctor Strange. Wanda lifts Xavier from his
chair and we hear cracks of bones breaking.

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Doctor Strange and Mordo fight each other, as
Mordo blames him for it. Clea lifts Mordo up in the
in the air and knocks him away.

Clea, with the help of America, manifests a spell
and comes out of that reality with the girl and Stephen.

Wanda in the body of Wanda from this reality, returns
to the farmhouse where Billy and Tommy are projecting
their powers to attack her, for she is with a shadowy
figure. Wanda realizes that the creatures she summoned
caused all of this under her domination and leaves
that Wanda's body.

Back in her real body, she realizes that
the creatures are after America, for Shuma
Gorath did not die and was alive, using Wanda
as his puppet. She realizes that she was being
used and that Shuma will kill America and
use her powers to dominate all the universes.

She lets go of Wong and Wong realizes that she is now
free from the creatures mind control. They
go to Stephen, America and Clea and Wanda asks
asks them for forgiveness. They forgive her and recognize that
she was in a moment of weakness. Wanda says that what
the creatures wanted to do to America is reminiscent
of what they did to her children. Then she vows to protect America.

Shuma and the creatures go to America. Clea, Wanda
and Chavez make a trio and fight them off.
Stephen and Wong are the ones who finish off Shuma.

Stephen tells Wanda that he will be willing to
help with whatever she needs. Wanda thanks him and says
that at the moment she has other plans and needs to
reunite with an "old friend" [Agatha picture in background on Instagram]

America receives training in perfecting her powers by Wong & Stephen.
Clea returns to her reality to try to put things back together.

* Information in no order of occurrence:
- Loki has a cameo in the film.
- "Parker" and "Harkness" are "mentioned".
- The film has 2 post-credits scenes.

Post-reshoots

Spoiler:

The film opens with Strange and Wong being hunted Sam Raimi camera work style by an unseen force. WIth them is America Chavez, the trio bounces through universes but Wong and Strange both die. America Chavez transports the body of Dr. Strange with her to the main MCU universe. Their deaths are very violent and scary. Dr. Strange then wakes up from this dream.

Dr. Strange is having problems, due to his tampering of fate and basically forcing a fixed point in time (Thanos winning) to having Tony Stark sacrifice himself causing this timeline to be very unstable and start disappearing like what happened to the universe in the Supreme Strange episode. His actions in NWH have caused the multiverse even more problems as well.

Dr. Strange then goes to Christine Palmer’s wedding. In this scene, Strange and the surgeon from the previous film have a sarcastic conversation. Then, Strange has to leave as New York is attacked by Gargantos. A demonic octopus looking creature. This is the introduction of America Chavez as well, this scene is partially shown in the trailer (cutting the bus in half).

At a pizza parlor, Chavez explains that her world became unstable due to the demons chasing her and that she has been “breaking” through the multiverse trying to find help. She loves pizza as it helps her refuel after the extensive amount of energy needed to jump through multiverses. She also explains to Strange that the “dreams” he is having are visions from other dimensions.

Dr. Strange takes Chavez to Kamar-Taj, where we are introduced to Rintrah, a minotaur. Dr. Strange instructs Rintrah to keep Chavez safe. Rintrah is played by Adam Hogell. Strange goes to visit Wanda Maximoff, who after the events of Wandavision lives in a large orchard in the middle of some mountains. Wanda immediately begins to “apologize” for her actions in Westview and says she has learned her lesson. Strange says he is not there for judgment and that he needs help with the Multiverse. Strange knows all about Westview and the fact she was able to pull a doppelganger of Quicksilver from the Fox Universe intrigues him.

What Strange does not know is that Wanda has been using the Darkhold to summon demons to get America Chavez. She can not travel the multiverse so that is why she needs Chavez. Wanda tells Strange she isn’t much help as anything that happened relating to the multiverse was unintentional.

Once Strange leaves to return back to Kamar-Taj. The orchard disappears revealing a dark cloudy mountain with a demonic castle on the top of it. Wanda turns back around thinking Strange has returned but it is Mordo, who we haven’t seen since Doctor Strange 2016. Mordo tries to kill Wanda, but he is quickly and violently killed by Wanda by decapitation. Wanda Maximoff is the main villain of this movie and she is truly a villain.

Back at Kamar-Taj, Rintrah and Chavez have been bonding. However, Dr. Strange returns and immediately has another dream. Except for this time, he sees Wanda killing Mordo. Wanda attacks Kamar-Taj, this scene is brutal as Wanda violently kills a ton of people. Partially shown in the trailer. This scene feels very horrible. In the “climax”, America, Strange, and Wong are in the underground channels of Kamar-Taj trying to find an escape passage. Wanda stalks them in a very frightening scene that ends with Wong being captured. Strange and America accidentally escape to another universe.

The Iron Legion Timeline - Strange and Chavez end up in a timeline where Tony Stark puts “a suit of armor around the world” and Chris Evans does briefly appear as President Steve Rogers in this universe. Tony Stark is not played by RDJ, but in a funny reveal, it's Tom Cruise. - - This version of Tony is a little insane, not only does he claim to be a prophet, but he actually has 3 of the infinity stones.

The way he is introduced mirrors the Green Goblin scene in Spiderman 1, with Tom Cruise talking to the decapitated Thanos of his world. Tom really gives it his all for his brief screentime.

This worries Strange but an alternate version of Sorcerer Supreme Mordo captures both Chavez and Strange and brings them to the Illuminati. pre reshoots, the multiverse stuff was very limited to just a few members of the Illuminati and most of them were MCU actors anyways. However, now we have a full set after reshoots-

The Illuminati consists of Patrick Stewart’s Professor X, Ioan Gruffand’s Mister Fantastic, An alternate version of Monica Rambo who is Captain Marvel, Haley Attwel’s Captain Carter, Tom Cruise’s Iron Man, An alternate version of Blackbolt from Inhumans still played by Asten Mount. Supreme Mordo, Eric Bana’s Bruce Banner and Ian Mckellan’s Magneto. Balder the brave is still in the film just reduced. He is played by Bruce Campbell.

The Illuminati and Strange have a conversation, while Chavez is held in a prison by a variant Chavez. Strange informs the Illuminati that Wanda Maximoff or the Scarlet Witch has been possessed by the teachings of the Darkhold and is ripping through the Multiverse in order to find her kids. Tommy and Billy.

Professor X is concerned as a Wanda Variant is in this timeline right now with her children. Magneto’s daughter.

Mordo wants to kill Strange as he explains his world was destroyed by him and that Strange is the greatest danger to their universe.

We cut to a scene of this Wanda at a farmhouse playing with her children. Aaron Taylor Johnson is Pietro Maximoff in this scene. Unfortunately, this Wanda is “possessed” by evil Wanda and Illuminati show up to fight her,

This scene is actually insane as the X-Men (Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine, Famke Jansen’s Jean Grey, James Marsden’s Cyclops, and Halle Berry’s Storm), Jessica Alba’s Invisible Woman, A CGI version of Micheal Chiklis’s Thing, all shown up to fight Wanda as well.

The Illuminati try to fight the Scarlet Witch, but unfortunately are all obliterated. (wolverine’s death in the most violent) Professor X tries to exercise her but she kills him by snapping his neck.

Magneto calls out to his "daughter", in a heartbreaking scene that almost gets Wanda back, but unfornately, Magneto is obliterated from existence.

By this point in the film, Wanda’s appearance is starting to change into a dark decaying look. Her variants decay quickly due to the dark power.

Variant Christine Palmer breaks Strange and Chavez out of prison. Strange, Chavez, and Palmer are stalked by evil Wanda as they go through an underground sanctum. They open one door to see the multiverse that looks like a void. This is shown in the trailer. Palmer is able to open this door with her watch.

Chavez is captured by Wanda and Strange and Christine are thrown to another universe. This universe is a completely ruined NYC. The Strange is this universe is the evil one from the trailer.

Meanwhile, Rintrah rallies the sorcerers together in the main timeline universe to cast a spell to keep Wanda out of Kamar-Taj. Unfortunately, the sorcerers are mostly all killed when Wanda infiltrates the minds of novice sorcerers with visions of horror. With their last breath, A sorcerer sacrifices himself to destroy the darkhold.

Wanda threatens to destroy all of reality if Wong does not tell her where to find another copy of the darkhold. He tells her that the darkhold is etched into a castle on top of Wundagore Mountain - The Birthplace of Chaos Magic. Wong realizes at this point that demons are corrupting Wanda’s thoughts to try and plunge the universe into chaos.

Wanda takes Chavez and Wong to the castle. This castle is very gothic and is very Sam Raimi. Wanda also looks heavily decayed by this point of the film as the Darkhold has corrupted her. With Chavez and the Darkhold combined, Wanda begins tearing the multiverse apart. We see this cause chaos in the multiverse, as a variety of realities from previous films are shown. The - Fantastic 4 universe from 2015 is completely decimated.

Strange and Evil Strange talk eventually battle for possession of a spell that would cure Wanda. The trailer scene is a complete misdirect as Evil Strange is only in this scene alone. However, The two battle with Dr. Strange defeated Evil Strange by impaling him on a fence. - -- Dr. Strange then Astro projects himself into the body of the dead Strange from the beginning of the film so he can stop Wanda.

By this point, Wanda is still searching the universe for her exact children from Westview, the multiverse is starting to breakthrough, however, with variants of different MCU characters appearing as they did in NWH.

The Zombie Strange gets to the castle and frees Chavez from Wanda. Chavez and Wanda have one of the craziest fight scenes in MCU history as they punch each other through so many different universes. Eventually, Rintrah and a few survivors from Kamar-Taj and Wong are able to join the fight.

Dr. Strange is able to get Christine and his body back from the ruined NYC Timeline. He comes up with a plan, in a scene echoing Avengers: Endgame, Dr. Strange assembles a legion of MCU variants including The new trilogy X-Men, Wesley Snipes’ Blade, both John Krasinski and Emily Blunt as the Mister Fantastic and the Invisible Woman, Edward Norton’s Hulk (not sure if a variant or a saying the Incredible Hulk 2008 was just another timeline), Nicholas Cage’s Ghost Rider, a variant of Thor played by Liam Hemsworth, Thomas Jane’s Punisher (he is in War Machine type outfit) , Tobey’s Spider-Man and Ryan Reynolds’ Deadpool.

big SPOILER Robert Downey Jr. returns to play an alternate version of Tony Stark. Doctor - Strange is able to make peace with this variant of Tony as they both understand what had to happen in Endgame. (The opposite happened in his universe where Strange died instead of Tony. They all fight Wanda who is quite literally the most powerful being in the multiverse. - - - - This is foreshadowing Secret Wars.

The Variants fight the demons so that they won’t infiltrate their universes. In the end, Wanda finds her kids, but they do not want her as she is frightening and decayed. They also are being taken care of by an adoptive family and not in danger like the Darkhold convinced her. Her look is quite gruesome and is one of the things Raimi and Marvel fought on during reshoots. Fortunately, Raimi’s Wanda is intact.

In the end, Wanda “sacrifices” herself into the dark hold, and the MCU is forever changed. This is the equivalent of the “No More Mutants Moment” as a heavily retconned FOX version of the X-Men is now in the MCU. (James McAvoy, Micheal Fassbender are for sure returning, heavy negotiations are going on for the rest). Ryan Reynolds Deadpool is the only character who remembers the universes as they were before and this will be referenced in Dead

It is unclear if John and Emily are now the MCU’s version of the Fantastic Four, it depends on how the audience reacts to them.

Wong agrees to train Chavez at Kamar-Taj.

Variant Christine goes back to her universe to reassemble the Illuminati. Doctor Strange sees Chavez and Wanda’s aged-up twins at a pizza parlor. The actors playing these roles were not revealed as Marvel hasn’t quite finalized who they want yet. So it’s just pre-visual. Doctor Strange is not in a good place at all when this film ends, the post-credits reveal the dead Palmer resurrected as Clea and a third eye reveals itself on a dark Doctor Strange.

The second post-credits is X-Men related and has not been shown yet due to this reason.

Doctor Extraño 2 supera los 900 millones (909 para ser exacto) y todo eso sin estrenarse en Rusia,China,Kuwait,Arabia y Egipto.

https://www.espaciomarvelita.com/202...os-todo-mundo/

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Doctor Extraño 2 supera los 900 millones (909 para ser exacto) y todo eso sin estrenarse en Rusia,China,Kuwait,Arabia y Egipto.

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Me alegro muchísimo por Raimi, de vuelta a la Primera División, habiendo afrontado no pocos riesgos. El otro día comentaban los del programa Días de Cine que no reconocían su autoría. Pensé en dos posibles opciones, que no hubiesen visto nada del Tío Sam o que no hubiesen visto los anteriores trabajos de Marvel para comparar.

De hecho ayer revisioné Arrástrame al infierno y había muchas cosas de ella en Dr Strange

Ayer la vi en su paso a plataformas.

Creo que Raimi ha hecho una gran obra. Yo me bajé del MCU en Vengadores salvando Spiderman (que tiene de Strange) creo que es una película que agradece tener una base solida y una técnica visual cuidada.

Tenía mis reservas por como las películas desde la salida de Tony y demás enfocaban el asunto. Películas, series... no sé me parecía muy poco de mi gusto. Pero en esta tengo un personaje puro comic con un guión que agradece los agujeros porque hace que el título cobre sentido. Ayer me rechinaba algunas cosas pero luego pensaba que si era cosa del multiverso tenía sentido todo porque nada lo tenía.

Bueno, digamos que el trailer a mí no me sedujo nada. Me parecía una de las que me desarraigaron del MCU pero bueno, la tenía para ver y como Benedict me convenció en Spiderman en la participación que tuvo pues me puse a verla.

Creo que es un personaje tan aprovechable que donde otros vengadores tuvieron una mala secuela, para mí, supera la primera. Sí Sam Raimi sabía como.

Los momentos alternativos ha sido espectacular ver a ciertos personajes. Cuanto más la intentas comprender más te das cuenta que aquí se puede aplicar la definición que en Los Simpsons decía: "Lo hizo un mago".

Uno por aquí que la ha disfrutado mucho. Tiene el sello Raimi por todos lados y es una locura (en el buen sentido) aunque quien espere el nivel de locura de las obras más extremas de Raimi siendo un film de Marvel/Disney es que vive en un universo alternativo sin darse cuenta.

A mi el multiverso (como teoría, a nivel ciencia) ya es un tema que me encanta cuando se plasma en el cine. Encima sabe dotarlo de riqueza narrativa, ritmo, buenos personajes, efectos apoteósicos (aunque algún momento si te fijas en primeros planos de las caras canta un poco) y notables escenas de acción.

Si nos ponemos a analizar detalle a detalle, escena a escena, seguro que habrá cosas a echarle en cara pero yo la he disfrutado mucho y se me ha pasado volando. No es una obra maestra, no deja una huella espectacular en algún sentido, pero es un blockbuster notable y en su género y registro está por encima de la media.

Nota: 7'3

Edito: Sin ser yo de los que chillan viendo un trailer, van a convenciones ni tienen la habitación llena de comics, me ha hecho ilu ver a alguna gente "nueva".

La vi hace dos semanas en el multicine de Ciudad Real para escaparnos del Calor , me parece mucho mejor que la primera de Strange. No me aburrí y el tono Raimi me resulto muy original. No es un peliculón pero entretiene aunque esperaba algo mas de Multiuniverso.

Al igual que su predecesora, 'Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness' me ha parecido de lo mejor del MCU, los últimos 30 minutos son classic Raimi.
Y primer vistazo al futuro de la franquicia con

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Spoiler:

Los 4 Fantásticos y X-Men.

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Entretenida.

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Vista también, gracias a la incorporación a Disney Plus.

La primera entrega es para mí de lo mejor que se ha creado dentro de este universo Marvel. Y he ido tristemente viendo cómo el tono oscuro y amargo de un personaje tan sólido se iba atontando en posteriores apariciones, especialmente en la última de Spiderman.

San Raimi devuelve la integridad al personaje y dibuja una película barroca de superhéroes. Clásica a más no poder, un cine que parecía perdido en los 90.

Bastante arriesgada, en mi opinión, visualmente fantástica y con unos cameos ilusionantes.

La BSO de Elfman es una gozada. Contribuye a esa construcción casi nostálgica que nos regala Raimi.

Espero que haya cumplido las expectativas de Disney, porque el director se lo ha currado y es uno de los filmes con más personalidad si no el que más, desde que Marvel es propiedad de la compañía de Mickey Mousse.

Pues se rumorea, se dice por ahí, que a Feige le ha gustado la experiencia y quiere meter directores con personalidad en el MCU. A ver, a ver.

Yo hice un comentario al respecto y Marty_McFly dió en clavo:

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Y lo dice después de cortar 40 minutos y mandar hacer reshoots. Ya podría haber estado menos encima, la verdad. :|

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Que Feige lo demuestre, pero a corto plazo no creo que cambie su estrategia creativa a nivel de dirección. Demasiado bien le va.

Si ahora con Thor 4 y después con Black Panther 2 siguen siendo éxitos económicos... pues ¿para que cambiar? Ya lo dijo él mismo un día: hacemos películas cómicas de acción.

Saludos.

Lo de los 40 minutos para mí que es un bulo que os queréis creer empeñados en que Feige siempre la tiene que cagar.

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Lo de los 40 minutos para mí que es un bulo que os queréis creer empeñados en que Feige siempre la tiene que cagar.

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Yo ni me creo ni me dejó de creer, hay muchos medios que confirman eso, incluso Bruce Campbell.

Salvo que ahora todo esto de los reshoots haya sido desmentido oficialmente claro.

Los reshoots no son indicios, pruebas o sinónimos de empeorar una obra, pero significa que algo no le gustó a alguien (¿quién pone la "pasta"?) inicialmente.

A mi Marvel me da exactamente igual los reshoots que hagan.

Ya sufrí bastante con la ZSJL. Me conformo con que la nueva directiva de DC sea honesta, sería, integra y profesional desde el principio.

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/en...ts-forced.html

Hace meses ya se dijo que había dos montajes del filme: el Raimi cut (160 minutos) y el montaje de cine, con notabilísimas diferencias. Ojalá se estrene el Raimi cut en cines o podamos adquirirlo dentro de un tiempo en bd o 4k. No es descabellado,ya que van a reestrenar Spiderman no way home con metraje extendido.

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Lo de los 40 minutos para mí que es un bulo que os queréis creer empeñados en que Feige siempre la tiene que cagar.

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Tú como siempre, lanzándote a hablar sin tener ni idea y faltando a los demás. Lo confirmó el mismo Sam Raimi:

https://www.cbr.com/doctor-strange-2...me-longer-mcu/

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Hace meses ya se dijo que había dos montajes del filme: el Raimi cut (160 minutos) y el montaje de cine, con notabilísimas diferencias. Ojalá se estrene el Raimi cut en cines o podamos adquirirlo dentro de un tiempo en bd o 4k. No es descabellado,ya que van a reestrenar Spiderman no way home con metraje extendido.

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Pero porque es de Sony, Disney no hace eso.A mí me encantaría y también me encantaría la versión extendida de Age of Ultron que Whedon tuvo que cortar.

En los extras del bd, han puesto muy pocas escenas eliminadas, cuando debería haber muchísimas. Tal vez se las reserven para un reestreno en salas o para editarla en físico. Ojalá.

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Tú como siempre, lanzándote a hablar sin tener ni idea y faltando a los demás. Lo confirmó el mismo Sam Raimi:

https://www.cbr.com/doctor-strange-2...me-longer-mcu/

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Yo confio en que vea la luz, teniendo en cuenta que No Way Home va a reestrenarse con más metraje, y la buena taquilla de la película de Raimi. El montaje actual me parece muy bueno, de lo mejor del MCU, pero intuyo que puede haber una obra maestra ahí debajo. Y los cortes/empalmes se notan claramente.

A mi me gustaría verlo pero Marvel Studios no ha sacado ni una versión extendida de sus películas. Me extrañaría que empezara ahora.