Yo tengo la version americana en blu ray, eso si es region A y subtitulos español neutro, gran definición, y muchos extras. Lastima que por aqui no la veremos en condiciones

¿En la americana hay sub en los extras y en el audiocomentario?. Gracias de antemano.

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¿En la americana hay sub en los extras y en el audiocomentario?

No, no hay subtítulos en ningún idioma ni para los unos ni para lo otro.

Tan sólo la película lleva subtítulos en inglés, inglés para sordos y español latino.

De todas formas, la edición deja bastante que desear; nada de "gran definición", como comentaba el forero anterior. Lamentablemente, todas las ediciones de la peli en BD que conozco son bastante deficientes, y de hecho es uno de los pocos casos en los que la crítica tan manida de que "parece un DVD escalado" no resulta muy exagerada.

Además, la edición USA presenta discrepancias muy extrañas en el encuadre de varios planos respecto a las ediciones anteriores en DVD, y no parece que sea porque aquellos eran erróneos y se ha corregido para el BD, sino más bien al contrario...

(y eso sin mencionar el dichoso y habitual virado turquesa)

Pues si, tienes toda la razón, yo tengo la Alemana y es similar a la italiana (en los encuadres, no a la USA) pero la verdad, no nos tiremos de los pelos por no estar editada en España, con el aspecto que tienen los BDs editados nos podemos conformar con el DVD nuestro.

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Pues si, tienes toda la razón, yo tengo la Alemana y es similar a la italiana (en los encuadres, no a la USA) pero la verdad, no nos tiremos de los pelos por no estar editada en España, con el aspecto que tienen los BDs editados nos podemos conformar con el DVD nuestro.

¿Y podrías decirme qué audio lleva la edición alemana para la pista original en inglés? Porque la italiana lleva tan solo PCM 2.0, y el DTS 5.1 de la británica creo que tenía algún problema (y el video en la UK es entrelazado con aceleración PAL). Al menos el audio de la edición USA es un DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (aunque de gama algo limitada).

Aqui tienes los datos del disco

Yo he tenido las dos ediciones en mis manos, la alemana y la canadiense que es la misma que la USA pero con francés añadido y sin subtitulado latino.

Detecté la diferencia de encuadre, pero todo y con eso he utilizado la imagen de la edición CA/USA para mi Blu-ray custom, ya que me ha parecido algo más nítida.

Eso sí, para el menú del BD he escogido el vídeo del alemán porque es mucho más cañero.

Sigo sin encontrar ningún programa que capture menús de Blu-ray para poder enseñaros los resultados de mis customs. Algo que tengo pendiente en varios hilos, pero es que no tengo medios.

¿ Hay alguna edición que este bien tanto en audio e imagen? Gracias.

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Aqui tienes los datos del disco

Gracias, hulk; estoy tonto, no me había dado cuenta de que la edición germana estaba entre las comparadas por caps-a-holic.

Por lo que veo, a diferencia de la italiana, cuenta con DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1, y tira del mismo transfer, aunque el bitrate es bastante bajo (disco de capa sencilla, me temo) y no se han podido estar quietos y han aplicado un ligero zoom de recorte para encajarla en 16:9, con lo que pierde algo de nitidez...

Pero supongo que, en conjunto, es la mejor edición disponible.

Update: Me edito, porque veo que la edición alemana comparada por caps-a-holic es la de EuroVideo, pero hay otra muy reciente en digibook del sello Inked Pictures, que no tengo claro lo que es; por lo que veo en su Facebook, parecen dedicados a sacar ediciones limitadas, muy limitadas, y en concreto de THE CROW tienen cuatro versiones distintas, pero, lo más importante, no sé si han tirado del mismo master...



En este video se ve la versión A de Inked Pictures junto con la edición steelbook de EuroVideo:

Sobre la versión de THE CROW que probablemente nunca llegaremos a ver:

Recently, fans of Proyas' work were treated to a new release of "Dark City" on Blu-Ray and DVD that featured a never before seen Director's Cut of the film. Will fans of his work on "The Crow" also be treated to a special edition of the Brandon Lee film as well? "We tried to at one stage," Proyas said. "There is another version of 'The Crow,' but it became politically difficult, I say no more than that." The project was very close to fruition before it hit some stumbling blocks. "We came very close, they interviewed me for it and stuff. There was this thing that ['The Crow' screenplay writer] David Schow did called 'The Crow Chronicles' which was a documentary about the behind the scenes stuff, which is really cool actually." In the end though, Proyas felt the need to pull out of the project not for financial reasons but because of the late Brandon Lee who died during the filming of the film. "It's very important to me that the same level of respect that we demonstrated in finishing the film to Brandon's memory was carried through anything else that's ever to do with 'The Crow,' and when that's not held in the highest esteem, then I would probably [have to go]."

Black Leather Required


It sounded, at first, like an overdue good idea: A reissue of the DVD for The Crow featuring commentary and input from the director, Alex Proyas. This would seem like not only a good thing, but a no-brainer; Crow fans have been waiting for Alex's blow-by-blow on the original film for years, now.


Supplemental material for a remastered Crow disc would be the purview of a company called Three-Legged Cat, whose pedigree was first-class—they'd piloted the reissues of The Exorcist, The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, Dancer in the Dark, the superb two-disc Se7en set, and Proyas' own Dark City.


The essence of the Crow franchise, for fans, is the emotional connection to Brandon Lee. The original film was chased by a series of supplementary comic books, a line of derivative novels, a laughable TV series and two sequels, one a smash-flop, the other a direct-to-video write-off. Given the acceleration of augmented DVD releases since 1994, it became time for Miramax Films to license a boxed set of the three Crow features to date, and provide enough supplementary jazz to permit the original film to "tow" its two followups. The primary interest of Crow fans is still in the original movie—countless Crow websites still in operation endlessly attest to this—and the fiscal strategy was basically sound: To get new stuff on the original, fans would have to pop for all three.


Alex Proyas had never gone on the record with commentary for the previous Crow releases on laserdisc and DVD, and Three-Legged Cat main man Mark Rance proposed that he do so, at long last, for this new release, which was hoped to encompass a definitive version of the original, fundamental movie. To secure his participation, Proyas entered into an agreement with Miramax Films that any and all supplementary material on the new disc was subject to his approval—and veto power. Otherwise, no deal. Based on his positive experience working with Mark Rance on the Dark City DVD, Proyas recorded a comprehensive audio commentary track, which was later expanded to include the input of cinematographer Dariusz Wolski, production designer Alex McDowell, art director Simon Murton, and yours truly.


The footage shot for the EPK—electronic press kit—during principal photography in 1993 was unearthed and reedited to include Proyas, myself, and most of the actors, including Brandon Lee. What began as the EPK was polished into a 22-minute documentary charting the movie's development and filming. On previous videotape, laserdisc and DVD releases, the Brandon Lee interview was appended in its entirety under the rather necrophiliac banner "Brandon Lee's Last Interview"; on the new disc, for the first time, that interview was edited, excerpted, and interpolated into the featurette, to be seen in the context originally intended in 1993.


Then Mark Rance approached me about previously-unseen photographs to spice up the still files with images apart from the same-old. I had shot several hundred stills in black and white and color, one of which appeared in the studio-sanctioned "Making of" book on The Crow, others being currently available on the new website for Proyas' production company, Mystery Clock (www.mysteryclock.com). I had also videotaped over sixteen hours of footage documenting the actual filmmaking, from pre-production through to the day prior to the accident that killed Brandon. Mark suggested we edit this material into some kind of behind-the-scenes tour, and the result was the 90-minute Crow Chronicle.


Writing for the A Boy and His Bird website ("Around the clock Crow news"), on February 21st, 2001, L.L. Cruize made the following assessment of Crow Chronicle:


This 90 minute "behind the scenes" video was shot by Crow scribe David Schow. Chronicling the pre-production and production of The Crow, it starts off a few days prior to production. It shows the cemetery and partial church back being constructed. David walks through the city lot, giving us a never-before seen view of the buildings and shops we have come to know, in the daylight! (They look totally different in the light). Day One of principal photography shows the production shooting of the famous alley scene where Brandon, as Eric Draven, walks through it with nothing on but a pair of pants. We see Brandon perform take after take in the wet and cold (It is mentioned that the temperature is 20 degrees!!). Other scenes being shot on this day are the confrontation between Eric and Gideon inside the pawnshop, as well as exterior scenes of Tin-Tin shutting the pawnshop up for the night. During a break in action on the first day, the crew takes time out to celebrate Brandon's 28th birthday. He is given a huge cake that has the Crow likeness on it. Video footage such as this makes "behind the scenes" much more personable. The rest of the video documents production up to Day 42, a few weeks before Brandon's death (sic). The images we get to see are insightful and intriguing. We get to see how much hard work it takes to make a film. Especially one filmed at night and in the temperature and conditions that were prevalent in North Carolina during the filming. We also get to see the infamous Skull Cowboy scenes being staged and shot. A lot of that lost dialogue is captured here, giving insight into what might have been had the Skull Cowboy character been left in the final cut. What I found interesting was how different many of the scenes turned out, in comparison to how they are shown being staged and shot. An example of this is the car chase through the downtown area. Eric was originally on top of the car. We get to see Brandon's stunt double, Jeff Cadiente perform this and other much harder stunts. All in all, this is a gem for Crow fans.
Well, it would have been, had the process not come to a screeching halt once producer Jeff Most protested Proyas' exclusion of him from any and all supplementary material for the original movie.


The dilemma: Not only was Crow Chronicle feature-length, and never-before-seen; it also provided the perfect excuse to house supplements on a bonus disc available only in the boxed set, hence, a strong motivator for Crow fans to pop for something they, in all probability, already owned, either in whole or in part, just to score the extras. Chronicle's rarity was a given, as a selling point.


Miramax representatives found themselves between two rocks, legally and ethically: They had signed an agreement giving Proyas complete approval over the supplements for The Crow, yet they were in mid-negotiation with Jeff Most for yet another sequel and did not wish to queer the deal. This project began the year as The Crow: Lazarus, to star DMX, currently on view in Exit Wounds, as the franchise's "first black Crow." The punchline to this will come in a moment; be patient.


Most was already adequately represented on the other two discs in the boxed set—the two sequels—but personal hostilities prevailed and Miramax ultimately caved in Most's favor.


The audio tracks and EPK footage were appropriated from Three-Legged Cat, along with TLC's assembly of a 20-minute interview conducted at the home of James O'Barr, creator of the comic. It is, on its own, a personal and revealing piece, one which Mark Rance suggested O'Barr might not have endorsed unless he knew this was for a Crow release that was to include Alex Proyas, at last.


The Proyas/Wolski/McDowell/Murton/Schow track was scrapped and replaced with one by Jeff Most and John Shirley (the original adaptor of the comic). The still gallery was replaced with conventional stuff and Crow Chronicle was dumped on the basis of Proyas' unilateral approval, now denied (that is, Proyas was heavily featured in Crow Chronicle, would have to approve it, and certainly would not approve it, since Jeff Most had protested being omitted from the peripheral matter on the first film.) When Miramax was questioned by Crow fans as to whether Proyas would be featured on this new disc, Miramax's response was that he "declined to participate," which is legally true but spiritually evasive. Proyas did participate—at length—with the understanding that his participation was governed by the signed document he had from Miramax, guaranteeing his approval. When Miramax waffled on that agreement, Proyas maintained a firm stance...and so once again, The Crow is not illuminated on DVD by many of its most fundamental contributors, and the only people who really lose out are the fans, who have kept the franchise alive with their dedication.


Since some of the participants in the featurette had signed interview releases, they remained on the re-cut. The omission of Proyas (and me) reduced the running time from 22 minutes to about 16. It's not particularly earth-shattering material, but fans will probably raise an eyebrow at the deletion of the director from even this innocuous "making of" short, the kind you see on HBO every day.


The supreme irony of the politics involved in this lamentable circumstance is this: At almost the same time the DVD boxed set was released, Lazarus—the proposed third sequel (no relation to the Poppy Z. Brite Crow novel, The Lazarus Heart)—morphed into a "non-Crow" project, mostly due to its acquisition of Grammy-winning pop artist Eminem as a bad guy, at a rumored cost of four million bucks. Hence, Miramax's legal dilemma technically ceased to exist, the moment the film had nothing to do with The Crow. A couple of weeks either way, and the originally-proposed supplements might still be part of the set.


Fans should beware of the supplements enumerated on the Amazon.com listing for the boxed set—it is based on an early menu, and unreliable.


Fans should know that the history of one of their favorite movies has been truncated again. There's lots more to see...but they may never see it.


And the fans are the ones who will pay for the boxed set, the sequels, and all the other Crow fallout devised in the name of franchisement. Whether what they gain is worth what they lost is a matter for Crow followers to decide for themselves.

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No, no hay subtítulos en ningún idioma ni para los unos ni para lo otro.

Tan sólo la película lleva subtítulos en inglés, inglés para sordos y español latino.

De todas formas, la edición deja bastante que desear; nada de "gran definición", como comentaba el forero anterior. Lamentablemente, todas las ediciones de la peli en BD que conozco son bastante deficientes, y de hecho es uno de los pocos casos en los que la crítica tan manida de que "parece un DVD escalado" no resulta muy exagerada.

Además, la edición USA presenta discrepancias muy extrañas en el encuadre de varios planos respecto a las ediciones anteriores en DVD, y no parece que sea porque aquellos eran erróneos y se ha corregido para el BD, sino más bien al contrario...

(y eso sin mencionar el dichoso y habitual virado turquesa)

En mi opinión, claramente la versión Lionsgate (USA) se ve bastante mejor que la italiana (Medusa), tema encuadre aparte.

Alguna edición lleva castellano? perdón si ya se ha preguntado/respondido....

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Alguna edición lleva castellano? perdón si ya se ha preguntado/respondido....

No, ninguna.

Gracias THE_FLASH

Edicionaca para Alemania el 9 de octubre:

Hola compañeros de mundodvd perdonad que habra este hilo para esto y aquí, lo único que pretendo es conseguir firmas para El Cuervo cuantas mas personas firmen mejor aqui os dejo la dirección

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Ya la tengo con subtitulos en español neutro EN BD PRENSADO......aqui no la sacan ni de coña, o en el mejor caso en bd-r

Bueno compañero la esperanza es lo último que se pierde, yo espero ver esta película en Blu Ray algún día.

Ficha fotográfica ALEMANIA BD Wooden Box Limited Edition The Crow (El cuervo)

Aquí les dejo este vídeo de nuestro compañero Angel Jesús Martín Soto

http://www.*********/comunidad/alex_...us-martin-soto

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SbbvtDk2yRI

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Como bien dice el compañero Alex_Crow, la esperanza es lo último que se pierde.

Muchas gracias compañeros por vuestras firmas, sigo pidiendo la colaboración de los compañeros para conseguir más firmas un saludo.

Otra firma más

Gracias compañero ya que estamos si pudieran publicar o poner esta dirección en redes sociales les estaría muy agradecido.

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